Can 2 + 2 = 5? Bipolar lesson inside…

Hi,

How’s it going?

I hope you are doing well.

Hey I have a math lesson for today J

OK, here it is:

Can 2 + 2 = 5?

Nope. No matter how much you want it to, no matter how many ways you go at it, 2 + 2 will never equal 5. It’s just a mathematical truth.

As in math, so in life. There are just some truths that are indisputable.

Your loved one has bipolar disorder. That’s a truth. So far there is no cure for bipolar disorder. That is another truth. But that doesn’t mean there isn’t treatment for it.

You know I love equations, so mathematically, it looks like this:

2 (loved one with bipolar disorder)  + 2 (no cure for bipolar disorder )  5 (loved one will never get better)

Nope. Doesn’t work that way.

This is called denial, and I talk about denial in my courses:

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In other words, you can stay in denial, thinking your loved one will never get better, that things will always be the way they are now, and you’ll just have to live with it forever.

You can claim that you don’t have to manage the bipolar disorder in order for your loved one to get better,

or that it’ll go away by itself, but that’s just plain denial, and it won’t make it true.

But that’s not the truth. That’s Like believing that 2 + 2 = 5.

The real truth is something like this:

2 (your loved one has BP) +2 (no cure, but management) 4 (long term stability/success)

As it relates to bipolar disorder, the only way to make the equation true, then (make 2 + 2 = 4), is to include management of the disorder.

Because only management of the disorder leads to stability. And long-term stability leads to success.

So mathematically speaking, that’s the real truth about bipolar disorder (that 2+2=4).

And your loved one cannot reach long-term stability and success without your help. they can’t do it alone.

But they can do it with your help. That’s like the plus sign in our mathematical equation.

You are the plus sign. You add to the equation. You add support, understanding, help, love, patience, and all the other many, many things you do to help your loved one to manage their disorder.

You are part of the equation that helps your loved one to reach stability and success.

David Oliver is the author of the shocking guide “Bipolar Disorder—The REAL Silent Killer.” Click Here to get FREE Information sent via email on how and why bipolar disorder kills.

  1. I think that this has GOT to be one of THE best messages you have posted to date. I am the one who is BP and I am fervently praying that my husband (+) will read this message and get everything out of it that I did because I know how long it took for me to figure out that I HAD to take/stay on my meds to have any kind of stability in mine & my children’s lives and I just pray every day that it won’t take my husband as long to realize how much I need his help, support and most of all UNDERSTANDING.
    THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR ALL OF US!!

  2. I understand what you’re trying to say, but what about a 34 yr. old daughter that uses it as an excuse for every mistake she makes.

  3. My boyfriend is BP and I’ve only been with him for 8 months, but, I literally have had my fill. I am single with a 6 y/o and cannot continue to deal with his BP. I am now bankrupt and mentally worn out. I love him and will continue to support him, but I cannot LIVE with him. I had no idea he was BP when I met him, but since then he’s been honest with me and I at least got him back on his meds. He is still unstable (meds not working too well), but he’s working. I keep pushing him to work because he is about to receive insurance through his job that will help him get a decent doctor. He has a place to live, but I am somewhat afraid to let him go. It is wearing on me, but I truly love him and don’t know what to do. I have my own problems to deal with and there just doesn’t seem to be enough of me to go around. I do know that he’s doing much better with me in his life, but this is really not fair to me. I feel I am getting NOTHING out of this relationship and I too need somebody to lean on once in a while. I really don’t know what he would be like if he were stable. He’s a smart guy, and I believe he would be a really good guy, but I’m at my limit with it all. It’s bringing me down and I can’t afford that since I am my son’s only parent. His father is a loser and doesn’t see him much or pay child support, so I’m IT! My son doesn’t like my boyfriend at all, so it is really not a good situation. I agree that we supporters are the plus sign in their lives, but at what point do we get OUR life back?

  4. David,thank you for your information,but as i informed you before,my loved one,who is living in his own world,decided to divorce me,and will not even talk about a reconciliation. I love him,only God knows how much,and even though the things he said to me were so so horrible i would still like to help him and offer him all the love possible.I am not in denial…but he is…he accuses me of imaginary things,and he is trying every way possible to hurt me.I do not know
    what to do anymore,how to handle the situation,how to make him see that a divorce will not make things better for him..NOR ME..Plus i forgot to mention to you that he is autistic too…So..that is a handful of issues for me to deal with.Tell me David…how can i save the marriage,if there is any left by now…We are separated for 3 weeks now,cause he kicked me out of the house.I am staying in a different state,and when i call him,he tells me off every time.He did have a shift out of this state of mind that lasted only for 1-2 days..And then he shifted back to that dark place,and has being in denial ever since….I am open to all suggestions,if you think that there is a way to help him out,but respecting my self too,cause till now i have received no respect what’s so ever…His family has no idea what is wrong with him,and i think that i am the first one to fully understand what is wrong.So please David,by all means…advise me if you think that there is anything that can and should be done…
    With all my respect,
    Haroula grammatikou ladd.

  5. Hi David,
    thank you for the simple but I believe definately correct equation about bipolar. I am a supporter of my boyfriend of a year and a half who has bipolar. So often he wants to manage his bipolar on his own,on his own terms. My response when the bipolar keeps managing him, is so how is it working for you doing it your way? No so good so why won’t you let other help? Like a good psychiatrist, and talk to your couselor about what is really going on, like all the stuff you confide in me about, but won’t to anyone else, but I am JUST the girlfriend who can’t do anything!! Very frustrating. I pray each day for patience, and understanding, God seems to always come through.

  6. Elaine,
    I can empathize with you dating someone with bipolar, I have asked myself some of the very questions you have, should I stay in the relationship or not. My boyfriend’s meds don’t seem to help him much either but he will not be honest with his psychiatrist, he is so afraid of looking like he is unstable to her that he will be hospitalized again, he had a bad experience. He ison disability and is looking for a job full time to get insurance although him looking for a job has presented itself as a very challenging task. He just seems to go in circles, because he is not willing to be honest with the psychiatrist or his couselor. He is living with me but I have told him by the end of the month he has to decide if he wants me to be in his life, he has been so up and down about if he should be in a relationship right know in his life. I am finally tired of the roller coaster that it is getting easier to let him go, I am phsyically and mentally exhauseted. I realize he has to take responsibility for his decisions, he knows all his options, believe me i have written to his couselor, psychiatrist, and trusted friends and told them what really goes on in his life and how much he struggles day to day, and I have confronted my boyfriend. So I am going to give it to God to carry. This disorder is the worst, it robs people of being who they really could and want to be. Thanks for listening.

  7. Dear David,
    My granddaughter is bipolar and ADHD,has learning disabilities, poor focusing,poor reasoning etc. you name it she has the problem. My daughter and I have been dealing with her problems since she was 11 years old. She is going to be 18 in August. Just about anything you can think of has been done or tried. She knows her problems but refuses to take meds. God knows we’ve tried to explain to her the benefits. I’m hoping your newsletter will give us some help and hope. I always say hope dies hard. We always tell her we love her, but don’t like the things she does. I might add that she has seen psychiatrists and had at one time taken meds. At this point my daughter is trying to get her on disability, but of course they denied her. We’re appealing it , but who knows. She would like to get a job but, frankly, if she is given more than one thing to do at a time, or given something to read, it’ll be over before it begins. I could go on but I appreciate being able to write to you. If you can offer any suggestions they will be greatly appreciated.

  8. Hi Dave

    Thanks for your inspiration.

    As I have said before, I have been to hell and back with my son 29years old, not really having a Bi-polar diagnosis but having ALL the symptoms of it.
    Tomorrow hopefully we will get a proper diagnosis as we are seeing another psychiatrist. (Been going on since he was a small boy)

    All these years, I have thought that my son was playing some very cruel game..perhaps a sadist and enjoying every minute of it? Who in their right mind would choose to be in the depths of despair every waking moment of their life? But as time has passed by, I can see that he really has a mental problem and the more one chooses to ignore it and thinks it will just “go away” the more it rears it’s ugly head.

    It has been sooooo difficult to journey through this heartache and as much as I wanted to help, my beloved departed husband could not just accept that his blue eyed boy, of whom he expected so much, had a “mental” disorder.

    I was restricted financially as my husband ruled the roost but also may I say, a wonderful and generous husband and father.
    My heart was bleeding because I knew my son needed help desperately but it DOES cost money!

    Now I am in a position to assist financially and even if this is the reason I have been put on this earth and given this damaged soul to repair, I shall put every ounce of my energy into doing so.

    With G-D’s help I can move mountains and achieve anything I set my mind to.

    I have had a pretty good life and my fervent prayer is that my son can attain as good a life as I have had.

    He really deserves it.

    I can’t wait to see him smile, throw back his head and laugh, integrate back into society with abandonment and enjoy the journey of life even with it’s ups and downs. ( he needs the tools to enable him)

    Thank you

    Brenda

  9. I just got the news that my 31 year old nephew committed suicide this past Tuesday. My sister said that he was diagnosed as being bipolar, but she doesn’t believe it. I really think he probably was as he had a lot of mood swings. I will try to send her some information so she can see for herself that it is possible. He will be cremated this afternoon and a memorial will be held for him on the 17th of June.

  10. Dave,
    First dave, i think what you do to help people is very couragous. I would like you to know that i enjoy your e-mails. i might not always get to all of them but i look forward to reading them and learning more about mental health issues and ways to cope that have worked for others in similar situations. thank you~
    2nd,
    I think that this 2+2 =4 is right at times ,but i am bp and other issues myself. My partner has DiD or MPD , whatever way u want to put it. she is bp,ptsd,and a few others. i am doing well i would say and i have my own stuff to deal with. i love her and i try my best to help her. she loves me and tries very hard to do the same for me. i know she is is not as stable as i am . but we do well together. it’s been 6 yrs we must be doing something right. we have support systems. we rely on reach other but at times our issues collide and it is hard to take time for your self or at least for me it is. . i wanted to know how do i help her and myself at those times
    when i feel i cant take anymore? the multipules are really difficult for me to deal with when there out for long periods of time. they are needy,irritating, draning on me. i dont have alot of patience. thats my thing. i really try but my moods get set off too at times. i go for walks go on the computer. if she will give me a few mins. i was wondering if u or anyone else that may be in a simlar situation had a few idea’s about this?
    i am not politiclly correct. sorry~ i will say God Bless you all, and whatever the translation for any other religion. may be you be blessed.
    jean

  11. I have bipolar disorder. I am on Social Security disability. It took the doctors five years to diagnose my condition. It took another five years for them to create the pharmaceutical “cocktail” that finally stabilized my manic/depressive episodes. I currently take Risperdal, Clominaprine, Wellbutrin, Bethanicol, Clonazepam, and Lithium. I also take Synthroid for hypothyroidism. I have had my condition under control for five years. My struggle with bipolar disorder has gone on for a total of fifteen years. My husband has been very supportive; at the same time, he has been very frustrate because the psychiatrists took so long to stabilize me. I would have committed suicide without my husband. Loved ones need to research bipolar disorder and understand what the person is going through. I hate having my condition – I will be on these meds the rest of my life. I can’t have children because there is too great a risk of a birth defect. My husband has accepted this, but I know he is disappointed. This is my story. I hope someone else relates or can be helped by it. There are support systems – you just have to find the right person or persons to support you.

  12. dear dave im on mediccations that help me with my bi polar i was wondering is this heridatary can my daughter get it cuz i have it?? i have my ups and downs and can relate to all the mail you send to read about this desease i have learned alot from it please keep sending information im really getting to know about this bi-polar well have a nice day cat!!

  13. David,

    Things are getting better. I go to interview for a job on Monday. Hopefully I will get it because I have been unemployed since the end of October and all this time on my hands has been killing me mentally. I spend most of my time at the library researching this or that or just killing time but I’m broke and waiting on GA and my disability and I’m broke so I really need this job. Thanks for your emails.

  14. My boyfriend is BP. He had a maniac episode a few days ago. He is better today. I know that he needs treatment but how do I get him to get the help that he needs. He denies that he is BP. I will stand by him no matter what but some times all I can do is cry because some of the things that he says and does is just cruel. Thank you for the emails. I am learning a lot about BP.

  15. OK… I’ll give you a humorous take on equations… A story I heard from my grandmother, in poetic English:

    Fred came from school the first half year, as learned as could be, and wished to prove to all around how smart a boy was he! And then at dinner he began, “Mama… you think you see TWO roasted chickens on that dish, now Iwill prove them THREE! So here is ONE, and there is TWO… as plain as plain can be…. I add the ONE unto the TWO, and ONE plus TWO makes THREE!!!”

    “If that is so!” said his Papa… “And what you say is true! I’ll take the ONE, Mama takes TWO… The THIRD we leave for you!!!”

    It pays to have the right perspective!

    Cheers!
    Spirited Eagle

  16. DAVE, You say that a person with bipolar can’t reach long-term stability alone. While my boyfriend appreciates all the love and support I give him, he also wants to be independent and does not want a permanent carer. He has just been discharged after 6 weeks in the psych ward and immediately insists on doing everything himself again. At present he is very vulnerable. His manic episode is now fairly well under controll with the right meds, but I feel that it isn’t naturally over yet. He is still in a minor episode and the slightest bit of stress could cause a relapse. Unfortunately stress is all around him. I have to find a compromise of giving him space as well as keeping an eye on him to make sure he is ok.

    ELAINE, I understand what you mean. I love my bipolar man and he loves me, but until he is totally stable I couldn’t live with him. His recent episode nearly landed me in the psych ward with him and I couldn’t go through it again. I hope and pray that he is on the right meds now and keeps taking them and remains stable. Only time will tell. We can have a perfectly good relationship while living in separate homes.

  17. Hello David. I am in a relationship with a man that has not been diagnosed with bipolar but shows all the symptoms. When I met him four years ago, he was different. After two months of a wonderful relationship, he ended up in jail. During his incarceration I remained in contact with him but tried to make my life outside. He would always yell at me on the phone and put me down. When he finally got out I helped him because I felt he was just frustrated with his incarceration and I did fall inlove with him. Little did I know the disease kept progressing. He is violent with me, pushes me around and calls me names. Other times he’s like an angel. Cooks for me, helps me around the house and gives me advise on how to raise my children and he is a very smart man.He’s even taught me many survival techniques. He did have some success in his past but the traumas he has had linger inside him. He lost custody of his son, he doesn’t talk to his mother anymore because he blaims her for his father leaving. She mentally abused him when he was little and then he married a woman that wasn’t an ideal match for him. When he got divorced he lost touch with his son. I have been with him off and on for four years and I’m very unhappy. He doesn’t work so I am supporting him. He thinks that the world is against him and keeps me living in fear. We are no longer intimate but he will not leave me because there is a legal pending case that I am a witness to.The legal case was caused on my property and he is innocent I also think he is still inlove with me but refuses to show intimacy anymore because of some mistake he swore I made and will never tell me. He keeps telling me he’s leaving me but doesn’t leave. He’s even threatened my life if I call the cops. He’s never hurt my children because I would never allow that and also he feels he’s some kind of father figure. Not one day goes by that he doesn’t find something I did wrong. I want him to be happy and to go to the doctor and take medication but he refuses to believe he has anything wrong with him. He gets mad at everything. It could be that I left something in the sink and puts me down saying I’m not a good mother or that I’m not smart enough for him. My family is against him as well because they found out he has a past record. I love him with all my heart and I know he’s a good person but I know he’s leaving me. I just wish this legal issue was resolved so that he may leave and leave me alone. I don’t make him happy. He brings up my past mistakes all the time and usually does all the talking. The only thing that would calm him down was to smoke but he doesn’t do that anymore because he doesn’t want me to spend money. I feel bad for everyone that is going thru hell by supporting anyone with bipolar. He wants a job but he says no one will hire him because of his record. He’s a very intelligent man and is knowledgable in many fields. He can’t leave the state until he legally resolves his issues. Personally he scares me. I live in fear in my own home. I took him in when he was in trouble. I blaim myself for putting myself in this mess and falling inlove with a man in this condition. I just want to help him and I want him to be free away from me and my home because my neighborhood he hates and he hates everyone around us. He is not on medication, just basicly eating the right foods and reading alot of things to survive some kind of end of times ordeal that is going thru his mind. I know times are tough but is it fare for me to live in fear with the man I love? I don’t want to get him in trouble because that would make things worse. I want to help him. Please David I don’t know who else to turn to. I’ve tried praying, chanting, meditating, improving my ways by being more organized but my memory is getting worse, I feel anxiety all the time, depression, I am working but want to quit because I want to just stay in bed and hide from my misery. It sounds cowardly but I’m just tired and numb. I take xanax to calm myself down and avoid arguments with him but sometimes it’s too much for me that I snap back, and that’s when he gets that look in his eye. I am trying hard but hard is not good enough. Thank you for sending me literature. I plan on learning as much as I can on this disease to help him. But does he want to be helped? Would he accept help from a woman he thinks so low of? Help.

  18. hi,
    my mum has bp…its soooo hard to see her the wat she behaves but she doesnt realise that.but she has to before she can get sorted.its down to as your the oldest family member at home with them
    its hard just make sure you have someone you can go to it can be outside family but then thats gets tricky and its even more tricky when its a family member who wilnt do anything about the sutuation…but there does come to a stage where you have to get out of the situation and do.cause if not it will bring you down to.you are not abanding your loved one but you arent responsible for their actions.
    the thing that p*sses me of the most is when u ask for help u diont get it and the look i get from my mum….

  19. I am living with, and supporting a woman with bipolar. I have gome through many ups and downs, some all in the same day. She rapid cycles-alot. Most of the episodes leave me wounded with my head spinning, insulted, feelings hurt, sad, depressed at times, even wanting to leave her. Bipolar is very hard to live with. She won’t get treated. When asked to, her reply is: I’m not sick… I really wish she new what this is doing to our relationship! Paranoia, fear, lying, low, and high opinions of herself-this is just some of what it is. She drinks, n ot all the time, but when she does-it’s alot. That is one of her self medicating things. I don’t like how she acts when drunk, saying stupid things, etc. I am madly in love with this person. I do not want to leave her-but I am spent. Alot of money get’s spent, alot of emotional energy get’s spent. I would like anothers perspective for coping… I am a very strong person-but as of late-I feel empty…
    David

  20. hi dave, I got diognosed with bp last november i was pregnant at the time and they wantesd to put me on meds but i told them not to untill i had my son. ive been in a relationship for two years and at the time i was diognosed he broke up with me. was sick of me accusing him all the time of stuff that he has never done. i was netorious for that. i made stuff up in my head that wasn’t really there or true. After i gave birth i also got post pardem deppression. Talk about a roller coaster i didn’t know weather i was coming or going. I got so down i didn’t want to get off the couch. Needless to say i got on meds but before that i keept telling my BF that i was depressed of ocarse he didn’t know what to do so he just ignored me. I said A lot of things that i didn’t mean. Got put in the hospital When i got out he said they didn’t keep me there long enough(i was there for a week) I have lost everyone that i love from this bp. We gave my son up for adoption to people that we know because he couldn’t do it on his own and at the time i was no help. I would want a better life for my son which will be 4 months this month and the way his dad and i treated each other i didn’t want him growing up seeing that kind of stuff. I really wish my x would read some of your stuff cuz maybe he would finally understand. thanks so much cuz you help me out everyday!!!!

  21. Ya know, I read these postings and I ask, why do you put up with it?????? My ex-husband, my oldest son (14 y/o), my husband, and all three of my step-kids are bp. My son is ADD and my husband has many diagnosis’s to mention. I am the supporter for my son and husband. My ex is just to far gone to even want to help which is why he is my ex . . . . . and my Step-kids wont admit it and/or dont want help, oh well, I cant make them, they are all adults.
    1st! Take care of yourself! You cant “help anyone else if you are not stable – financially, emotionally, or physically. And those of you with children – ALL CHILDREN COME BEFORE ANYONE ELSE! If they are miserable, if they are lacking and if they are put after the one with BP, how do you think they will feel about you for putting them there? How do you think it will affect thier future? Children are God’s Gift, not something to take care of after everything else is taken care of!
    2nd Dont take any “excuse” – tough love works! and if it doesnt then they dont want the help.
    3rd Have faith – prayer works – God loves us and maybe it isnt what HE wants for you, so leave if it is unbearable. God didnt put us on this earth to be miserable but to praise and worship Him.
    4th – If they want help (or in my son’s case – gets it whether he wants it or not) and they want to be with you, GREAT! Be thier support, be there for them, help them. Talk to them, talk to thier doctors – YOU can talk to the doctors, the doctors just cant tell you what He thinks or does with your loved one.
    5th – have open communication with your loved one. My husband is still trying to get stable with moods. He has been manic (mildly) for over two months – something isnt right. The Anti-depressant is to strong or the manic meds are not strong enough . . . . . . TALK! BP isnt something you can ignore, and if you communicate, is the great for your relationship. If you can talk about moods, what is going on, finances, medications and doctors – then you can talk about anything!
    Hospitalization is the best first step for thier stability. . . . . . Start the communications THEN.

    The last thing I want to tell everyone – If you are trying to get someone or yourelf on disability – CONTACT YOUR US SENATOR!!!!! My husband was denied in 2004 – still got lots of problems, couldnt hold a job, couldnt function at times. I finally got him to reapply in April of this year. I immediately contacted my US Senators office, of course I didnt say help, I said “It isnt fair! We fight to get it as we are citizens and there are others getting benefits and arent. Between my husband and myself, we have been paying in for a combined 50 years!” or along those lines. My husband’s final interview was April 26th, the SSI received the paperwork from on doctor on May 2, and the other doctor on May 5th. They “allowed” it on May 11th – We received his first check on June 11th. The Senators office flagged his application for immediate notification of any changes on it. We knew he was approved before we got the letter from SSN because of the contact with the Senators office.

    Dave – you can use any of this or all of this with your postings. And Thank you for your help to get me where I am today.

  22. I amd currently going thru a divorce. I do not know if my soon to be ex is bipolar. He has sev diff personalities all in one day. He came to me 2 weeks ago begging to work it out. Now he says I am crazy and he didnt do that. I dont know if he is just being mean or manipulating me. His behavior has been very erratic since we sep in Dec 06. This is the 3rd time he has wanted to work it out and then acts as if nothing happened.

  23. Hi Everyone!

    Today is Friday the 13th. Heard this on the radio as I climbed out of bed this morning. That can only mean one thing ! The doomsday- soothsayers have regarded this date as a day of bad luck.

    But today was the day that my 29year old son had an appointment with a NEW psychiatrist (after many) to try and get a diagnosis on his mental disorder which has had him living in limbo for so many years! ( and his parents with him)!!!! This CANNOT and WILL NOT be a negative day.
    It HAS to be POSITIVE!!

    He had a appointment for next week but it was brought forward to today because of a cancellation. That was a good sign, never mind the date!

    The diagnosis ? Bipolar disorder!

    Can anyone believe that I am sooo happy to hear that?? My son has bi-polar!!! To finally get a diagnosis?

    After all these stressful and sad years ,marked with tears, fear, bewilderment, stress and hopelessness, I have finally been given a gift.

    “Is she insane?” you may ask.

    No I am not insane, I have been thrown a life line. It’s as if I was watching my son slowly dying and no-one could tell me the reason why.

    Today is the 1st day of his life…. (now I am not so stupid to think that by taking a couple of pills, everything will be OK.) BUT it IS a start on the road to recovery (no matter how late in life it is) and while there will be big and small mountains to climb and fires to jump in and out of, nothing can compare to what I have gone through with him, over the past 29years. I WILL stand by his side, hold his hand and with the help of G-D’s power, I will have to embark on an unknown journey…. to recovery.

    I know there is no miracle cure for this disorder but I am told and have read, that it CAN be managed (through trial and tribulation for the correct drugs) and one can live a fruitful, independent, successful and happy life.

    The criteria is that the person who is suffering from the disorder, MUST educate him/herself with the knowledge of the disorder ( not JUST the supporter) and WANT to be helped.

    Having read the above letters, my heart goes out to all those that are dealing with a loved one suffering with this disorder ( I CAN say that I UNDERSTAND, because I have been through it and will still continue to do so, until such time that my beloved son reaches a place of feeling safe and at peace with himself.

    Those who are suffering with the disorder need our compassion and support ( Oh, it is soooooo hard , after all, we are also human) . They did not put in a special order to G-D to be given this disorder. Who would want to go through a precious life living with such a thing?

    However it is a fact and we have to deal with it.

    Don’t be so hard on yourself…take time, FIND TIME! to fill up your cup, nurture yourself, for if your cup is depleted, you cannot help anyone. YOU will need help in the end.

    I bless you all, with strenght in your heart and body.( you really need it!)

    With love in my heart

    Brenda ( Johannesburg. South Africa)

  24. David, when I met my boyfriend 8 months ago he was not taking his medication and kept his illness from me. I kept accusing him of doing drugs and finally one day told him that if he didn’t get help for “whatever” his problem was, then I was finished. Much to my surprise, he took himself to the hospital (the very next day) and got back on his medication. He is now working full time and almost has his 90 days in, but it’s a struggle. I still have to stay on him and make sure he’s home at a decent hour so that he will not be late. He is still unstable, but it’s better than it was. The problem I have is that I have a full time job myself and a 6 y/o son, so I don’t HAVE the time I need to put into my boyfriend. He did get his own place and is moving out this weekend with a friend. I promised him I would always be there for him and we could still see each other, but, like you said I am spent and need my OWN life back for a while. We need to take care of ourselves before we can help and take care of our loved ones. Unfortunately, I think the only one suffering here is my son because I’ve been so consumed with all of this and learning about this disease and wanting to help. There are no hard feelings between my boyfriend and I. In fact, he tells me all the time that I “saved his life”. So, don’t feel bad if you have to do some “tough love” with her…I think it will pay off in the end.

  25. I have been living with someone for 24yrs who has bipolar, married and two children later i still find myself here but am at the end of my tether now. The not knowingness of how he is going to be each day is wearing me out, its like everyday is like treading on egg shells i am fed up with pretending to be a so called happy family. It has really had an impact on both of my children and i am now wondering whether staying for the sake of the children has been a good or bad thing! I realise i have been living a lie for quite some time now and wondered if there is anyone out there who feels the same way as me or is my marriege just over?

  26. I have been diagnosed with BP II and most times extremely stable.I have been on medication for around 4 years. I have been getting intense migraines – which is driving my husband nuts as he relates to it as “jane is depressed again”- as it puts e into bed for at least two to three days. I obviously was very cruel to him for many years – but now being reelatively stable i seem to me to be a normal loving person. My kids certainly relate to me that way.
    One of the biggest issues around my BPI II was my unrelaibility and lack of some core integrity – not that I did anything crazy with the finances or abused drugs or alcohol – ore just I would say i would do something and then not seem to be able to get it done. This damaged the trust between my husband and I. David how can I win that trust back- not only for my relationship but also for myself – as these migraines seem to be a signal that I am stressed – which robs me of my self-esteem again. I am particularly effective in a work setting and have reached the highest levels in my career- my husband thinks that I owe him the time and energy when I am really stable and well to pour into him. But general chores donnot provide much positive feedback. And he keeps emphasising that that’s what will satisfy him. He has lost his deisre for me even though I know deep down he loves me very much – he is still holding onto the past very tightly and does not or cannot forgive. David what are your recommendations ?

  27. what i find is that bp spouses are very confusing to a point you think its you and mine seemed very willing to blame me. i am divorced a year after being married for 25 we have a 21 year old son and a 17 year old daughter he took the money and had his paychecks direct deposited he was horrible and cruel for years to a point where i became a person with post traumatic stress syndrome, and anxiety attacks…. the anxiety is less now that we no longer live together. before the divorce was finalized i wanted to try again maybe there was something else we could try that i was missing he was horrible and vandictive made me feel horrible it was all my fault which at first as a pattern i took the blame then came back to reality and said noooo. i just found out recently that he has a new woman who my son knew about for all this time and didnt tell me… Instead of telling me himself my x then husband chose to be mean .. now he admits he dated this woman from october when we move into our separate places they just didnt hold hand….say what?! i know he knew her before by the way he was playing love songs , sneaking in the car to make private phone calls at 2 am and hotel bills with guests he denied them all ….she is completely unlike me much older by about 8 years has a lot of improvements such as fake nails , hair pieces and a little something else ..he led me to beleive he wanted a natural woman i thought i was high maintenance i can move in mine…the really strange thing is i keep thinking about him my daughter gets mad she says i want to go back with him….i know there was like one personality i fell in love with and saw glimpses of and i miss him what is it that i keep obsessing i worry about him he is going to go off his medications..he says the new woman understands his anger and deals with it….. he has totally made this woman his family ignoring his childrens needs. the way our kids were to meet her was at a family public function where he introduced her as the new love of his life who completes him. talk about snap…. i am still realing and he was able to go on with not looking back. i decided it would be easier to e-mail so i hadnt lost him complete even though i filed for the divorce i had been threatened for years. and he told me his new woman was uncomfortable . i told him i thought she should be since we were still married when she was dating him for months…. i told him things we were doing as a family and he didnt want to hear about me at all just the kids and i feel if they want to tell him things that’s up to them. its better for me not to be in contact with him, i think about him a lot but i am not crying all the time and in pain …..you get over relationships what is it with this one is it because i took care of him for years? i have always been confused about his behaviors the whys if i had done something different . i found i was losing my identity trying to fix him or help him and when he took the money then went out of town …..he said he was leaving me in three years i wonder if he would have and if he would ever have changed with help but he wouldnt go it was me. i dont know what will become of him when he stops his medications completely he was a bear on weekends when he wouldnt take it he could be more demanding and controling without it.

  28. how can i still love him? i think because i always loved parts of him, i tried to understand ….others look at me like they knew all along and what is wrong with me…. i didnt divorce him because i didnt love him….i couldnt take his abuse anymore i soooo wanted him to get help and he just wouldnt so he goes on with his happy little life and i am left with the wounds my own and my childrens…. just doesnt seem right

  29. Dear David,
    I understand that what you have done for your mother is a sincere and wonderful thing, to devote so much to a loved one who needs help without asking is truely a great thing. I do wonder though that if somone doesnt want help like some people have said here that maybe that could also be an awnser, I dont like to be a person who comes along and says this is wrong and that is wrong but if the person with the problem doesnt want help then maybe it shouldnt be given, Im not saying that when its not given to be a cold person but in general just be there and offer support and an ear when needed, love for a love one or friend is a given. My friend has been diagnosed with this disorder and I know how it effects her, it cuts me up when I see it and hear how she is so low. Im sorry if I sound agressive in with my post but its just that Im at a point now where I feel I cant do anymore to help my friend, I feel as though I have already let her down because Im out of things to say to her that can make her feel better without personally thinking Im going round in circles repeating the same things. Lately I have said to her that if this is a problem that wont go away then maybe you should try and accept it and take in as a part of you, I know she enjoys the mania.. explosive shopping spree’s, wild nights out and other such things but would you say that saying to her when the depression comes to just go with it and let it ride? I know how tactless that sounds but Im only trying to help, nobody will listen to her because they think she is mad. Ive said mad people can have the most fun? I sympathies with her because I too feel that I have this disorder but to what degree I dont know, I know what its like to be really down and then some days later up again. Its exhausting as you must know. I dont know what else to say really other than asking for tips? Sorry to sound narky.

  30. Hi Garry. I have not gotten a response to my comments on my situation. Like I said earlier, I am in a relationship with a man that has bipolar. He has never been diagnosed with it but shows many mood swings and falls into deep depression. I cannot approach him and have a normal conversation with him because everything I say is wrong or he gets irritated. He keeps saying he’s leaving me and doesn’t leave. He scares the crap out of me and I just want him to be the same man I met four years ago. I don’t think he wants help or admit he has that disease so I keep my distance and try my best to stay happy. Can someone be helped if they don’t want help? I don’t think so. But atleast if you show that you care for your friend and watch out for her, not let her go to crazy with her shopping sprees because she could get into dept, that might help. Also about your depression or bipolar or whatever you have, it’s up to you what works for you. Some people exercise and keep away from junk food. Others take medications and it helps. I don’t know because I don’t have bipolar, I have more of what you call manic depression. What helps me is meditating, praying, keeping busy with my kids, cleaning, working, and exercising. Sometimes I take xanax to numb myself and to be able to deal with my boyfriend’s mood swings. It’s not easy but as long as you keep trying and don’t give up on her and yourself, then you can accomplish anything. It also helps to remember you’re not alone. I’m still waiting for David to respond, I just keep getting emails and links for me to buy something. Take care and hope you and your friend get the help you need. 🙂 I need help too. Heeelp! HEEELP! Have any thoughts to share? Bring it on. See ya.

  31. I have BP and have been pretty stable for six months, no depressions or serious mania. I have just finished a program called MAPS Monitoring And Preventative Strategies. This is a new form of treatment, that runs concurrent with Medication. Its is an Australian initiative developed in Melbourne. i can’t yet see any sign of it on the internet but ASK YOUR DOCTOR. it has been proven in clinical studies to reduce relapses by over 50%. I’m sure it will become more prevalent in yrs to come. It has been of alot of help to me and i’m sure the material would be invaluable to spouses/partners. but tthe most important thing is this: YOU MUST ADMIT YOU HAVE THIS CONDITION AND COMMIT YOURSELF TO GETTING BETTER!!!! like being an alcoholic, if you admit the problem, you can do something about. i take quite minimal medication: seroquel and epilim, and my life is turning around.

    And Elaine: cut your losses darling, there are somethings that BP can’t excuse. And of he doesnt get immediate treatment he’s going to ruin your life as well.. As someone who has been thru and done it all: legal problems relationship breakdowns etc i have no sympathy for those who won’t admit they have a problem, UNLESS they are in the grip of actual mania, and if thats the case their isnt anything outside of hospitalization that can do a damn thing for them. You’re gonna have to get tough Elaine, good luck!!!

  32. Hi Garry,

    I too, have never received a response to anything I have written.

    Regards, Brenda

  33. Hi,

    It’s time to eat humble pie.

    Just lately although I have been taking my meds, getting the right sleep etc I have felt so well, not the scary high that makes me jump for my extra pills.

    Because of feeling so well I bought interview clothes, approached my old boss for a job, tackled a very involved legal matter, volunteered for the samaritans, started a detox diet. Agreed to advice a friend on their finances. And tons of other stuff. I could do anything including singing at the top of my voice down the street.

    Yesterday morning my mum, partner and daughter all said you are going manic. No, I am not I confidently replied as I always fear fear when manic.

    That afternoon I felt the fear, broke down, thoughts too fast, tears, feelings of not coping, uselessness and elation all at once. I took my added tranqs straight away I am still high but not losing my mind type of high. When in hospital before I was given this high dose of tranqs and still felt high. Why is it that a BP person high does not feel sedated when sedated. This illness always surprises me you think you have it figured out warning signs etc and then bam you dont.

    A big hug to the world and my friends.
    Love Tanya 🙂

  34. I have bipolar disorder and have chronic hypomania. I have been manic four times. My research into mania suggests that it may not be a brain defect but an evolutionary attempt at developing a super brain. Research shows that many people with bipolar are goal oriented. This goal orientation is a key element of mania and is the trigger mechanism to mania. An increase in time spent on goal oriented tasks starts the manic episode. Mania will increase the time spent on goal oriented tasks creating an addictive behavior. Think of the brain as a computer. Computers are rated by the processing speed at which they process information. The fastest processors are known as super computers and are rated the best. Racing thoughts, works like Google with the first thought being the goal and all succeeding thoughts are documents to that goal. Mania increases the speed at which these thoughts are process with an increase in energy. An increase in time spent on goal oriented tasks, signals the brain that it needs a faster processor and increase energy to work on that goal oriented task. It takes evolution thousands of years to develop into the finished product.

  35. 15 June 2008

    In this Father’s Day I remember my dad who had bipolar illness many years ago and committed suicide when pretty much all that was available was psychiatric treatment. He was a physiciand and struggled with the disease all of his life. In spite of this, he was a wonderful and devoted father and I would not be here today , a stable adult human being with my own family, without him. We all stand on the shoulders of others. Happy Father’s Day, Dad and thank you from a grateful daughter.

  36. I just have to tell you that I have been through hell since I was 4 years old and when I got divorced from my husband in Germany in 1983, it has been like WWIII in two countries for 28 years, fighting for my sanity and my children. That was before HIIPA. I was in hospitals and had shock treatments and false diagnoses and thousands of medications, all wrong ones, gained hundreds of pounds and had numerous breakdowns, had so many jobs I can’t even count them, had so many doctors who never even cared to listen what i had to say what I was telling them until I had one interim nurse practitioner who quit- she put me on geodon. That was the start of something good until she left the clinic. Then I had to go into the hospital to get an emergency appointment so they would take me into another clinic within two months instead waiting for two years. I had two doctors- both who quit within 9 months total time. Then I had a nut case of a doctor from November 2007- May 2008 who asked me what kind of medication I wanted and refused to give me the necessary medication and would give my Medicare Plan D the prior Authorizations needed for the medications so I reported her to the CEO of the hospital and the very next day I was able to get a new psychiatrist after months of requesting one. I got an interim psychiatrist- she was there for only three months- a substitute retiree from Florida who will have to leave on July 18th who knew exactly the medication I needed. I refused to have any more schock treatments ever again. They made me forget what I needed to forget and remember what I needed to forget so I will never have them again. That resistance saved me and helped her decide to give me Topamax which was a Godsend. It is usually given only as a last resort when all other medications have not worked for OCD, ADHD, PTSD, Mood Stabilizers, Bipolar Disorders, Depression . They usually give it for migraines and seizures- neither which I have- but they really aren’t sure what the diagnosis is for me otherwise. Anyway, the therapeutic level of 200 mg is working along with 450 mg of wellbutrin and 80 mg of geodon. I have no as you call episodes or anything else. Sometimes I get a bit sad, but most people have that. I get sad that my family isn’t in tact, but that is understandable. I just thought that I’d pass this on- that maybe it might help someone else and bring a ray of sunshine into an otherwise very dismal life. Hope someone finds happiness by reading it!

  37. Dear folks:
    This comment comes from personal experience as a surviver. I have BP disorder. Nothing will turn this situation around until we first ADMIT and ACCEPT the fact that we have it. Medication, support, education, structure, sleep management, changing lifestyle, courses, other’s knowledge will not work until you first ADMIT then ACCEPT you have it. That it’s part of you and your life. Yeah this is like 12-step stuff. But when I was diagnosed I clearly was in denial. I did not take the meds as prescribed, I tried other stuff and still hit the bars. I medicated with alcohol. I did dumb and dumber things and hurt a lot of people. I lost a lot of friends. To those who deny this situation, get over it. Accept where you are. Only then will strategies and management work. Medication is vital. PERIOD. I miss the woman I married and the children that called me Dad. I had a family, owned a house, had a long and successful career as a college professor. All gone. But I am PROUD of the fact that I now have a new life. I have family that understands and still loves me anyway. Frankly I have stopped mourning over those that don’t ( why relive the pain when I know it will trigger another devastatin depressive episode). I am PROUD that I survived. I work and keep a job, support a household, have old and new friends, a significant other–with the disorder. I had several opportunities to leave this world but GOD threw me back into the pond of life. In His time, not mine. Do you believe in angels? I do. One kept me from getting dead and another gave me the will to live. Real people and still in my life. I love them dearly. And Dave, you’re my angel, too. You gave me the tools to live. I am still here for a reason. It’s to help others and make a difference in other’s lives. Maybe I am the “designated angel” for someone else. Be thankful, enjoy what we have and what we can make of it.

    I do. I hope you will too. Happy Father’s Day to all us Dads!

  38. dear dave,
    i’m a supporter of my husband’s big elephant as you called it and sometimes i can’t help but ask when its going to end. right now he’s in one of his episode but hopefully as i see it he is in control, i hope i’m right on that. its been a month now and still he’ s in a restless mood but very happy. what so good about his BP is that he can be so smart and can speak his mind which he cannot usually do in his normal state. just hoping though that it won’t cause his job LOL. however, with this crisis in the family still God was so good to send Angel Dave to us and he helped us understand that there is life after all to a BP situation. to all of you who share your BP experiences thank you and may God strengten us for our BP love ones depends in us too much. anyway we have a saving grace named dave. thank you again very dear friend
    ellen

  39. For marcia: Since your grand daughter will be 18 soon there will be more drugs available for her that are not safe for a child to take. I really doubt that she actually has ADHD and Bi-polar as the symptoms for ADHD are basically the same as for a Bi-polar having a Manic Episode. I would have her go to a good Psychiatrist and get her re-evaluated and it should take several sessions before he/she comes up with a diagnosis: I believe either Bi-polar Disorder or ADHD, I seriously doubt both. I do not have any degrees, but I have more experience in dealing with BPD than anyone should, especially since I have the disorder as well as being a disorder supporter for both my daughter and my husband (not her father) and at one time her father, the worst kind, undiagnosed and untreated! Bi-polar has virtually been in my life for all my 54 years. I know it takes quite a while to diagnose Bi-polar and then the process of finding the right med cocktail for the person is another try this and try that and can go on for years. But on the other hand, the regular MD seems to be happy to give a diagnosis, in 15 minutes or less, of ADHD and start the scripts rolling! She needs to keep going with the SSI as I seriously doubt she could work at anything with the way you have described. She is definitely not in any position to make decisions for herself at this time. I bet she dropped out of school, right, because she was too tired to get up and go. I asked my daughter why she would not take her meds one and she simply told me that she felt like they wouldn’t help anyways, so why bother and I have an idea this may be what is happening with your grand daughter. But when she is in her right mind, somewhat stable, I bet she is very intelligent. My daughter dropped out of school and felt fairly normal one day and went to the college, where they had the GED tests, took all the tests the same day and aced them. And she had not done any studying at all prior to taking the tests. The description you gave of your grand daughter reminded me of my own daughter and so I had to respond I just hope you get the opportunity to read this. So do not give up on her and gently persuade her to go a Psychiatrist as this is the only way to get her properly diagnosed. My heart goes out to you and your family.

  40. David: Is there a way to get the responses to your blog delivered to our email address as the old blog did? That would be very fantastic for me and a lot of others, as well. Thanks and I doubt you are a Father yet, but Happy Father’s Day to you and your Dad. Hope it is a good one for all of you!!!

  41. Elaine,

    Just my 2 cents. Your 6 yr old should come first in your life, NO ONE ELSE! Your son needs you and needs to see you in a happy relationship or with NO relationship. You are his only role model. It is your job to teach him how to be an adult. Good Luck!

  42. I sent the following in response to one of David ‘s e-mails last month but at that time I don’t think this blog site was up and working yet. Or at least I didn’t kow how to get here to post. I didn’t get a response to that e-mail so I have done a cut and paste of that e-mail below for all to read and with any luck someone can find a way to respond.

    I have been married for the past twenty years to a woman that always seemed to have her own agenda and would do things without consulting with me. Her behaviors made those closest to us ask me why I put up with it. I put my all into being a good husband and a good father to our three children (one of which she had before I met her). She would come up with ideas that to those on the outside looked totally crazy but from the inside I tried to support her and would go along with her, and the funny thing is where she would claim success others would look at the idea puzzled as to what was so successful. She was always running us into debt. And I was always trying to bail us out. She never had a steady income for more than eight months. She had many jobs over the years. She took college classes but never earned a degree. She would learn things very quickly but never fully used the skill for very long. She would have month long depression cycles. She attempted suicide several times, other times she just made threats and cut on herself. When she would get angry she would throw things around the house and make messes. I tried to get her to go to counseling many times over the years but it seems like within three months of going she would get angry at the counselor and stop going. Our oldest child had behavior problems growing up and he was finally diagnosed as bi-polar. I learned that bi-polar can be hereditary. At that point I asked her doctor if she could be the one that passed this on to our son (I’m not his biological father). Her doctor told us she was bi-polar. Since then I’ve tried to reason that her behaviors are not her fault and I feel like I’ve just become and enabler for her. It has just gotten to difficult to deal with after 20 years. Our marriage counselor said he wasn’t sure about the bi-polar but said she definitely had personality disorders. I have talked to a lawyer and started divorce proceedings. When I told her I wanted a divorce she cut her wrist and I had to call an ambulance. The hospital released her to her mother’s care that night. The next night she attacked me and our middle child and I had to call for police support. She was arrested and spent four nights in jail. That was the first time I had ever called for police help. Usually they showed up with the ambulance when she would hurt herself. Now she is claiming that I abused her mentally and physically, I failed to protect her from our middle child. Now I’m afraid that she is going to cause me more problems and make my life miserable out of vindication.

    Is there anything that you know of that I can use to protect myself and our children from her wrath? She already is talking bad about me to our children. She is spreading accusations and falsehoods to her side of the family and her doctors. And I’m sure her lawyer is going to attack me at the divorce trial. I’m so worried. Please help me!!

  43. Dear Dave:
    I purchased your Master Bipolar program. Great tips on Bipolar!!!!!
    What I am interested in knowing now, is how long can a person go without having a relapse? I do not smoke, drink alcohol or sodas and I have cut my tea consumption to 24oz per day. I watch myself very closely by not engaging in stimulating projects after 9:00 pm then I’m off to bed at 9:30 – 10:00 pm. Up at 7:00 am. I’m contemplating getting a membership at the YMCA because I love to swim. I think I have a rather health life. Oh, I do have a full time(40 hours) and a part t ime job(16 hours). My two sons are grown and attend college in another town. I’m very organized at home. I am now reading on Cognitive Behavioral Theory for Bipolar. I just can’t have another relaspe!!!

  44. How exactly is a definite diagnosis of bipolar determined? Are there certain tests that can be administered to get a diagnosis? I truly feel that my husband is bipolar but after reading material describing other (mental)disorders, he seems to exhibit symptoms that could be considered one of those disorders. He refuses to seek any professional help and most times denies that he has any problems–but he has his “normal” moments when he will admit that he does have something wrong and has “issues” as he calls them that he needs to deal with. We live in a small town with limited medical assistance available. My husband and I do not have medical insurance. So even seeing a physician or mental health physician is basically impossible on our income. Any suggestions on convincing a loved one that they should seek help and how to do this with a very limited income.

  45. I only discovered that I have this disorder 3 weeks back. It has been one of my highlights for the month because I ended up in hospital being treated for depression. It was one of the most difficult phases I had to go through, but as I read the all the articles and emails David sends, I discover new things. Coming to think of it and looking back at my past, I discovered that I was a bipolar. I was not aware about it and only became awre after I broke up with my 4 year old boyfriend and became depressed. After all the sessions with my psychiatrist I knew for sure that I was a bipolar and needed help.

    Apparentely few of my family memebers have it. It runs in the family. All I can say is I’m still discovering new things about the disporder and about myself and I’m taking it one day at a time. Sometimes I ask myself: why me? But I guess that only god knows that I’m not the only one going through this. Thank you David and all the support “we” are getting from you.

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