Bipolar – Can You Tell or Not?

Hi,

I hope you’re having a good week.

I was thinking about something today.

I have several people who work for me who have bipolar disorder, and I always brag on them…

About how you would never know that they have the disorder, unless they told you.

Of course, I live in New Jersey, and they live in other places, all over the map.

But I was wondering about what they look like in person.

I mean, not their looks, but whether in person, whether you can or can’t tell that they have bipolar disorder.

So that made me think about you and your loved one.

If there’s so many million people with bipolar disorder, chances are that you know more than just your loved one with the disorder.

Can you tell or can you NOT tell just by looking, if someone has bipolar disorder or not?

Interesting question, don’t you think?

See, what made me think about it, too, were the many emails I’ve gotten from people like you, asking me about whether their loved one’s behavior is the bipolar or their loved one…

And also about whether their loved one is “faking” it or not.

That’s been a real big issue, according to the emails and calls I’ve gotten.

In my opinion, I think it has to do with whether a person with bipolar disorder is high functioning or not.

If they are high functioning, I don’t think you could ever tell that they even had bipolar disorder at all.

In my courses and systems, I talk about what makes a person high-functioning.

This is what I think, at least by what the people who work for me are concerned, is what makes them different, and in my courses I have a whole section on being high functioning:

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High-functioning behavior can make a person with bipolar disorder NOT stand out as someone with the disorder.

Does that make sense?

Whereas, on the other hand, someone who has bipolar disorder, but is NOT high functioning, would be someone who you can tell DOES have bipolar disorder.

I have seen this firsthand – in the people who work for me, those I have interviewed for my courses, those who I have talked to at the support groups I attend, and others I have heard from via email and phone.

When someone with bipolar disorder is low functioning, they will tend to have more episodes.

And you know that when your loved one has episodes, there are behaviors associated with them.

If these behaviors are in public, well then sure, people are going to notice…

And then they will question…

And more likely will know that your loved one has something wrong with them…

If not know that they have bipolar disorder.

So I give it to you. What do you think?

What has been your experience?

Can you tell just by looking, if your loved one has bipolar disorder or not?

If so, what is it about their behavior that gives them away?

For those of you who can’t tell, what is it about your loved one’s behavior that is different, that doesn’t give them away?

  1. I am married to a high-functioning, 42-yr-old man who has been diagnosed since he was about 22. We have been together for 15 yrs and married for 12. We have 4 kids. I think it is mostly evident when he is what i call pre-manic – he gets very irritable and hyperactive. But i know him like the back of my hand. Other people just think he is being negative or weird and overly critical. Then of course if and when he has been in an episode, it is obvious to me, but people who do not know that he has bip, usually just end of listening to him rant and mostly believe what he says — until his behavior gets really kooky, (God forbid) like in the most extreme cases when he was very manic, psychotic and withdrawen and even hallucinating. Even then, people who did not know him probably would not have been able to say, oh, he is bipolar and manic. It took me several years of knowing him and reading on my own abotu the disorder to identify the specific behaviors that indicate that he is getting manic or feeling depressed. I do know how stress is a perfect trigger and i try to tell everyone that when they listen to him rant about work and politics before he can get upset. They think he is venting, but I know that it actually makes him MORE stressed to talk about stuff like that.

  2. My husband is high functioning bipolar. He has always been hypomanic — a life-threatening accident which included a head injury threw him into bipolar — and no one notices that he is bipolar unless he is manic and in public.
    He wants to deny his condition, but with ongoing therapy, he is coming around.
    Our marriage is in shambles. Thank goodness our family is already raised. Our grandchildren wonder why their PawPaw is not nice nay more.
    My point is that a high functioning bipolar person may hide his disorder from the public and possibly from co-workers, but those really close see the change in the person. They remember what he was like and tolerate him because of the past and because they realize that he cannot help himself. But, he is not the same person. You make it sound like life can still be good. It is not that simple. Life is an unknown now. You never know what tomorrow brings.

  3. My wife’s doctor explained her reluctance to confront the problem when manic this way:

    “The BP manic person feels so good. He/she has
    energy, ideas, creativity. They feel all-
    powerful, so much more energized than those
    around them. Why should he/she want to come
    down from that state? They can’t see the brick
    wall that they are about to crash head-on into”

    So if you feel so good when manic, and can get away with so much – after all, people just say:
    “It’s the condition doing that, not him/her”.
    Surely for a “high-functioning” BP, there may be a temptation to see what they can also get away with when not fully-manic

    Wonderful excuse for irresponsible behavior.

  4. Hello,
    My husband has Schizoaffective Disorder. When he is on medications and they are correct, I would never know he has this condition. However, when he stops his meds or the meds stop working, he begins to have auditory hallucinations. Currently, he is speaking to one or more voice/s most of the day every day. We are working to correct this situation! He does not want me to go with him to see his Psychiatrist so I e-mail his doctor! This is better so I do not have to say this in front of the doctor and embarrass him :)! Hope this can help someone else!!

  5. this is the first time I am responding to any of the e-mails I have received. I need some advice. We have purchased the course on bipolar. the master’s edition. I am a little disaponted in the cd’s that came with it. They were not clear. Very noisy. Is there any way they can refunded. I would like to keep the book course.

    Also, We beleive that our son, who lives 5 hours drive away from us, has bipolar. He was hospitalized about 2 years ago. He could not afford the meds and he said they made him feel funny. he has a hard time keeping a job because he has gotten himself in so much debt that he has 3 leveys on his check plus he is paying child support for 1 child. He brought home 50.00 in 2 weeks time. He also has lost his licence to a dui. He needs sr22 insurance to get his licence back. We have been helping him with rent and such but we are tapped out. We are not well to do people. I have cryed many night to sleep. I work part-time and my husband works full time but we have bills to pay also. I could take some time off to go to St Louis for a while. I am having touble knowing where to start!!!! Would you have any suggestions?

  6. my daughter at times would not be recognized by others but at times she will show signs i public. some of hte things I know for in her is the fast talking, the eyes that will stray you down, her motions, such as not beening able to be still, repeating what she says and what others say to her.
    she is at a place where she does not release her Bible for long the way in which she carry it or the fact that hse carry it all the time sign some to me. others may not see tthat as a problem.
    she is agrumentive must of the time,
    my daughters eyes are different when she is in certain stages, if her eyes are wide open and glassy i can expect opposition with almost anything i say. when she does not have that look as will be more agreeable with what is said and is easier to be around.
    the tone of her voice also lets me know something is not right.

  7. I am bipolar. I have had full blown manic episodes and left untreated they escalated and became worse with every episode. I have done horrible, out of character things, I have received numerous speeding tickets as driving is one of my favorite things to do while manic, especially driving at top speed. The crash happens suddenly, like free falling from an airplane and landing face first on hot coals and lying there for months. Even after all of these things, I am quite high functioning as I can put on a fake smile in front of who I need to, and then crawl back into my hole. When manic, people close to me just love to see me happy and can’t look into why I’m soooo happy. They haven’t gotten to the point of belief even years after diagnosis. So, no, they cannot tell. No, strangers cannot tell. I am good at hiding it, and have worked on it for years and years, and have perfected it. It is an art really.

  8. You can not tell just by looking until you know the person and can see the changes. I have noticed and it has been confirmed by professionals that a Bi Polar persons expressions can change in an episode enough to make look slightly different to those closest to them. I have also read, though I am not certain how true it is, that the story of the werewolf change from man to wolf originally is based on Bipolar episode changes from, say, depressive episode to a manic episode. I am not sure how much belief to put in this but I read it some years ago in an old medical journal. I know it’s weird. But I have seen the change in the person I support and it is very dramatic when not medicated. She has never turned into a werewolf though lol. (well, has never grown hair anyway).
    People closest to a person are most likely to notice the difference’s that are associated with episodes but most of the people on the out side might say there’s something different or wrong with that person but would not think it is a medical condition.

  9. i was dating a man who was very intelligent. then one day i started to notice him changing at first it wasnt so bad. then he decided after 15 years at the job he was working to quit. since that time he hasnt been able to hold onto a job. it is almost like there is no one behind those eyes anymore. its like he doesnt have any concience at all. i have tried to talk to him but he doesnt think he has a problem. i decided to move us east to see if getting him in a better climate to see if it would help.it didnt. after being here for about 4 months he decided that he didnt want to be here so he told me that he was going to start heading west, i thought he was kidding but after about 15 minutes he didnt come back. i got a phone call about a week later saying that he was in wisconsin. i couldnt believe it when he left he didnt have any money or food. i was so confused and stunned at the smae time. another episode he would just walk off when someone was talking to him and go on walks. he has gotten so bad that he is living on the streets. i am so afraid that he is going to get hurt or hurt someone. i dont know what to do. i still love him but cant deal with the disease.

  10. No, you cannot tell whether or not a person has bipolar disorder by looking at them. It doesn’t matter if they are completely stable, or if they are in an accute depressive/manic episode.

    One thing that has happened in our culture within the past 10-15 years is that the term “bipolar”
    has unfortunately become commonplace in everyday language – misused.

    For instance, I have heard someone (obviously ignorant to the clinical meaning and severety of the illness) call herself “bipolar” when she has a sudden change of mind.

    People who go back and forth between laughter and tears while watching a movie sometimes sigh and tell me they’re “so bipolar.”

    Other people who spend an entire Friday night awake, having a great time, partying and laughing it up with their friends come home and crash. By Monday morning, they’re all out of energy, they want to sleep all day, they can’t concentrate, they want to isolate from people, and they feel pretty bad about themselves. These folks also sometimes say they are “feeling bipolar,” or describe their weekend as “bipolar.”

    I think it’s unfortunate that the names of serious mental health diagnoses get mixed in to everyday vernacular. While I admit, I find this a little offensive, there is a much greater reason to be concerned than that.

    The bigger problem is that people who toss “bipolar” into causal conversation that has nothing to do with illness, have made up their minds as to what “bipolar disorder looks like – what they THINK they can see in any person who they THINK they can tell has bipolar disorder.

    Lots of uneducated people THINK they know what the illness looks like. And the people making guesses, diagnosiing others by looking at strangers, friends, loved ones, ANYONE–

    That’s just ONE reason why no one can look at another person and diagnose them. Our whole way of thinking about and speaking about “bipolar” behavior is distorted. Anyone who has not taken pains to find out what clinical manifestations of bipolar disorder ARE – well, they can guess, but they’re the last folks who would KNOW.

    Another thing is that within the past 20 years, a LOT more people have been diagnosed with the illness. I was diagnosed before it was so often recognized, and treated. Because more people KNOW that they have it, it tends to get more press than it did so long ago.

    So, among those educated and medically diagnosed with it, there is more talk, more publicity, and (I think) broader acceptance of the illness, less stigma.

    All good things, but they do have consequences. I think more uneducated people (IN GENERAL – NOT EVERYONE) hear about it and get a little information – which can indeed be a dangerous thing.

    If you see a commercial for a mood stablizer, you’ll probably hear a list of symptoms. If you take that information and run with it, it’s likely you don’t know as much as you think you do.

    But you might FEEL qualified to make judgments about whether or not a stranger has bipolar disorder, and in fact you MIGHT decide he does. You THINK you know what someone with bipolar disorder looks like. YOU DON’T.

    Often people tell me about their friend, relative, co-worker, etc whom they BELIEVE has bipolar disorder. I am positive most of them are well-meaning people, trying to figure out what it is they see when they look at a person.

    But I have to press. I ask them if the person has been to a psychiatrist. Have they had a physical to rule out other problems that could contribute to the situation? Has any health professional or therapist sat down with the person to assess what exactly IS going on?

    Sadly, I get answers like, “Well, he acts just like my mother, and she has it, and it’s hereditary so it MUST be that. Or, “Well I was reading online, or in a self-help book, or in a medical book, and I tell you, it’s HIM.”

    Even more often, people will give me a litany of behaviors – the story of how the person in question has done “all the things people with bipolar do.” And again, if pressed, they’ll tell me how, in some secondhand way, they logically (?) determined this without feeling that consulting a doctor was necessary.

    When it comes down to it, a PSYCHIATRIST cannot tell by looking at a patient whether or not they have bipolar disorder. It doesn’t matter if the patient is VERY symptomatic, or if they are not having any noticable symptoms at all.

    A doctor cannot do this. If any doctor looked at me, or anyone I cared about, and said “You have bipolar disorder” without doing the rest of the intricate and ongoing work that goes with diagnosing bipolar disorder, I would be out the door, looking for a doctor who was going to do their job!

    So, how in the WORLD can an ordinary person tell just by looking at someone? Lots of people, for lots of reasons, BELIEVE they can. They’re wrong.

    That said – and said because it’s SO important to getting the right care – not just guessing, my sense is that there is more to this quesiton than that.

    I might be wrong, but I think part of what you all were getting at was, what is the effect on others who see you and your loved one when they are (professionally diagnosed) and they show some behaviors that are disruptive? And the other side: What effect does it have on others when people with bipolar disorder are NOT showing any signs?

    Well, the obvious, and the only answer to THAT part is that, of course, if ANY person behaves disruptively for ANY reason, then other people will pick up on the fact that there is something wrong.

    And, of course, if these behaviors – whatever is causing them, are not obvious, then they won’t call attention to themselves, and no one else will have any reason to suppose there is ANYTHING (bipolar, or whatever some stranger might guess, wrong with them.

    I’m not totally clear on how it benefits us to address this. Not totally. If I didn’t think I could do something good in response, I wouldn’t be writing. But when it boils down to – “does this or that person with bipolar disorder give themselves away,”

    There are lots of minority groups in the world, and many of the people in those groups grapple mightily with this kind of issue.

    So, I wonder, is anyone suggesting it’s a worthy goal to “pass” in the world and have no one notice or suspect you have some condition that sometimes makes you behave differently?

    “Can you tell?” The answer is no, but I wonder – do some people think you shouldn’t be able to? Because naturally, “passing” requires keeping symptoms in check. This is not possible all the time. “Giving yourself away” by something that looks to an untrained stranger to be “bipolar.”

    I’ll end with asking a question about the question. “Can you tell?” No, you can’t. But does it matter? And if so, tell me why?

  11. I live with dr. jeckle and mister hyde, when b. p. his eyes glitter and he looks evil, says cruel things, can be so hurtful, yet other people can be fooled until he has a full blown episode and is picked up by police. right now he is close, may pull out, i hope so, life is hard.

  12. My sister was never high functioning, her abilities were always on the low end. But she had common sense when she was able to share it. Her instincts are good. But the ability to perform made it obvious that she had a real problem. Never having worked in a real situation that was suitable for her, the only place she did work was designed for those whose mental health was described as being that of someone who had down’s syndrome. or related areas of difficulty. That was not suitable for her, but it was the only place that she could even try to work and that was only for a short time. It becomes noticeable when the hygiene of the person in question is not properly taken care of when it should be. The resoning abilities become more strange when the thinking on a given subject is not really right. Though on other things they can be half way reasonable. The manner of attire can sometimes be a real give away, depending on the climate, and the habit of what is expected to be worn. That is when the person is really out of it. Odd sleeping hrs., talking half the night and not really sleeping. Not as to someone who can respond audiably, but as to one who is not visiable to the others. That is a real eye opener for those who are not accustomed to hearing that. Also an obvious sign of not being healthy in that respect. There is a difference between one who is obviously sick in that regard, and one who has faith in God, because God does respond back to the one who prays, it’s just not audible to the ones who don’t know who HE is and don’t know His Word. There are differences in behavior too. The Christian who prays, is not going to be obvious to others as that is not what is called for in prayer. The one who is sick, and who is not behaving normally, will reveal more than they should in one way or another. That is when it is important to know when to call for medical support and help. When they are as normal as they can be, it can be harder, but then the many in the public arena don’t all behave in an acceptable way in their lifestyle. One could call those who find that ‘cross dressing’ is considered normal by those who are abnormal that to me is a form of illness. It is sickening to me to see that when they feel that they are normal to be like that. Yet there are those who think that it is the ‘best way for them’ while they are causing many to feel sick in response. So that is the status that the world is facing right now, and it is so disheartening to see. All who face that fact are in much pain for others there. So who’s to say what is normal and what isn’t ? The WORD of God states what is best here, and cultural examples may not seem to be ‘up to date’ but the Scriptural Truth remains . God does heal and HE is Real. But not everyone wants to believe that is TRUE. Because then it would mean that they have to change their lifestyle, and confess their sins, and depend on HIM and not themselves to do what His Will is and not their own. He not only is able to transform the soul from that of the old sinful nature He gives you His Gift of Salvation in order to do so. That is a life long process and not done overnight. So many struggle with that and don’t want to accept Him because of their fears. He will help all who honestly want Him to overcome their fears.

  13. HI DAVIE BABE…..
    No you carn,t tell if someone has bipolor a think the only way you would be able to tell is if you lived with some one with it or if they told you…Its not printed on your head. You would be able to tell on the way someone acts out when there out of controle… Maybe on things they say . If they lose touch with reallity its quite a strange sort of feeling its as if your not hear and the noise is diffrent. Its serternly not normality. Then along comes the paronoia. One day you would be ok the next day you might be down again, They will all so be bouts of anxiaty and nerviseness with racing thoughts what just pop up…
    Take Care Linda x

  14. this is the 1st time i have posted a comment. I have a loved one who is bipolar. I have known him for 10 yrs. now. for the first 6 years, we were together(married). for the last 4 years – just friends.
    I find it helpful to put his moods on a scale of 1 to 10. 5 to 6.5 likes me. 7 and over finds me extremely annoying and unattractive; intrusive; less intelligent; too conservative. Under 5 finds me too high maintenance; too risky with money; too social. 5.5 to 6 is my favorite – he thinks that all my quirky traits are endearing qualities – he shares his thoughts and feelings – he sees the bigger picture – he sees all the possibilities – he is realistic about how to achieve goals – he is positive about the future – he is creative and funny – he sees the beauty in me and in life, and when I am with him, I feel truly loved. When he changes, I miss him so much.
    I find 7.5 to be the most difficult mood, because it always seems to catch me off guard and i don’t know if it’s the bipolar or if this is his ‘normal’, and he really doesn’t like me or want me around. I miss the man I fell in love with. I can relate to a previous comment about the ‘eyes that stare you down'(if looks could kill). He rarely gets to 10 – he seems to crash before getting that far. I used to believe in his love for me – that is was true and everything else was a distortion, but I lost faith in that. I used to believe that I could see who he is – the person he is, separate from the illness. I loved that person dearly. Now I just take him as he is at any given time. I don’t try so hard to figure it all out. I don’t take his moods personally(except for 7.5 – that one still hurts a bit). I try to focus on my own ability to remain steady. I see all the moods as being a part of who he is and I am aware that each mood seems to have it’s own need be respected. I don’t try to separate him from his illness anymore, in my own heart and mind. He can take care of himself.
    I’ve noticed that in these past few years, he has become better at hiding (or controlling) the visibility of the moods, and seems to be more aware of their impact on others. That might be because it was only 3 years ago that he was diagnosed – he is 54.

    I’m very grateful for this site. It’s always helpful to read about other peoples experiences with b.p.

    Chris

  15. Since becoming stable on medication a year and a half ago, my son appears “normal” to everyone including myself. Part of that might be acting because I know he does not want people knowing that he has BP. Or, it could be that he is stable on the medication and is back to his own self. I’m interested in what Stephanie said about a head injury setting off her husband’s bipolar. Have there been studies done that connect head injuries to BP? My son has had 3 serious concussions as a young child and several other bumps on the head through sports that he’s played over the years. I’m wondering if there is a connection?

    Thank you David for giving us this chance to talk about ourselves and our loved ones.

  16. Please note that the “changes” one would notice are a heck of a lot easier to spot in a Bipolar I person vs. a Bipolar II like myself. For me, the changes are a lot more subtle and hard to catch. When I’m in a manic phase (and I’m a rapid cycler), I just get irritable, impatient and less tolerant of bad behaviour in others. I’m more likely to “tell someone off” than let something go, if someone angers me. I try to stay away from crowds and line-ups during those times. I do NOT act “extra happy” or on top of the world. That is NOT how Bipolar II works. If someone is doing something particularly irritating (like playing loud music on the bus, for example) I might “stare them down” by giving them a very dirty look, which I wouldn’t normally do. I might even call someone an a…hole, but only if provoked. If I am not provoked, I act the same as normal, I just have to avoid the provocation during those hypomanic times.
    This is basically an FYI to remind people that Biplolar I symptoms of mania are (or can be) quite different from Bipolar II.

  17. All this sounds so familiar. When my daughter was about 4 I began to notice that she’d collapse whenever faced with pressure. She didn’t like team sports. Now that she’s nearly 30, after being away from her for most of 8 years, I finally realized that she is bipolar. She refuses to take medication, and I’m afraid if her lows get bad enough, she will kill herself. Most people think she’s a bitch; it’s hard not to blame her. Actually, we do blame her, for not seeking help. It’s a spiral, alienating everyone, which depresses her. The irony of a mentally ill person is, the sicker they are the less they want help. I’m worn out, but as her mother I can’t turn my back on her; I’m the only one she has finally.

  18. I am a high functioning BP, at least most of the time. Then there are the days I am a non functioning bipolar. For over 30 years I have been self employed which is very helpful in hiding the down times. “I can’t take on anymore work at this time” is the perfect cover.

    My doctor can always tell when I am manic or depressed. I don’t know what he sees or what I do or say. He’s director of Psychiatry at local hospital and very experienced. Most people don’t see anything and are incredulous if I share my secret with them.

    I am a lonely BP despite my many friends. Recently I started a thread on another BP site to which I subscribe. I basically asked high functioning bipolars who were interested to contact me. I received 4 responses from literate, high functioning BP’s. One suggested that most high function BP’s go underground, putting their energy into living at their best capability day to day. Makes sense.

    During my most recent depressive episode I read the book – Detour: My Bipolar Road Trip in 4-D by Lizzie Simon. This is the story of a young BP looking for her “herd”. It seems that there are high functioning BP’s out there, but they are hard to find. My conclusion is all BP’s, high function or not, have periods of extreme dysfunction and chaos whether they are young or old.

    I was not diagnosed until I was in my forties so only have a decade of records. For me, at the age of 53, I find my illness is getting worse and my level of functioning is eroding a little with each episode. Are there any other BP’s around my age who are having this experience?

    Only a small group of people know I am BP. I am very cautious about disclosure especially with those people for whom I work. There is such stigma about this illness. Just today I was in a meeting with an Office Manager and a Contractor for whom I subcontract my services. While discussing an extremely difficult client the Office admin. stated “She is bipolar”. This happens so often; bipolar has become the catchall garbage can for people who behave badly. I have learned to say under such circumstances “I have bipolar in my family. I do not believe that is what is going on here”. I think, if only you knew. It is not my goal to become the poster child for bipolar disorder so I let it go at that.

  19. Dave;
    Yes you can tell who is on “medication” Who has taken “Medication.”
    Also you can see who has had ECT (Against the Geneva Convention…).
    Psychosergery, of ANY “psychiatric Therapy.”
    Thus your question is answered.
    YES PROFESSORS OF PSYCHIATRY ARE YET TO FIND A BP PERSON WHO HASN’T BEEN “MEDICATED.”
    FURTHER PROOF BP IS ENTIRELY IATROGENIC VIA POLYPHARMACY…
    WHEN DO WE DEBATE?

  20. “Someoneelse”;
    Are you a “psychiatrist” or a member of the Drug Cartel or Government?
    For it is only they who believe “psychiatry” is of ANY help.
    ALL “psychiatric therapies” Have been PROVEN to cause ALL they are ment to treat.
    Carpenter, Layer, and Champie to name but a few proved years ago World Wide that NON Drug therapy (Proper Psychiatry). Led to FAR better results ALL round, & FAR fewer Re-admitions.
    Yes you must wean slowly off the Drugs, or you have a Whithdrawel effect, you will be worse than ever.
    The “psychiatrist” loves this and tells you & yours that this is why you need it for life.
    WHAT LIFE?
    I post “psychiatry” have NO Life for I have NO MIND!

  21. No i don’t think people who meet my son and husband casually thinks that they have bi-polar. But once they spend time with them they can tell that they have social and emotional problems. but at quick glances no it isn’t readily easy to tell.

  22. Stigma about the “illness.”
    It is ALL there in the DSM.
    We are stated their to be terrible lires,Agressive, impulsive, Delusional, sex addicted…
    For me I am agressive Post “therapy…” Never Pre.
    Why would I not be P’d off, my life & Family have been destroyed.
    As for “Medical” “help.”
    I am FAR worse as ALL are on “antipsychotics” & “Mood stabilizers.”
    A great deal more P’d off, even Scuicidal, as that is what the “medications” are DESIGNED to do.
    Odd how ALL of us are so successful.’
    Yes we ALL lie to the shrink, tell them we feel much better…
    As it is the only way out of the asylem, Bedlem…
    Also if you tell it the Drugs are good, there working, it will lower the dose.
    Anybody EVER noticed that?
    If I needed 1Kg of Kryptonite Daily to be well, why lower it to 750g? Or lower?
    My Nanna dosn’t take less insilin weekly…
    ALL who are or where anybody (Accademic, Sporting, Acting…). have/had the “disorder.”
    The Bi Polar, must refer to our using of Both sides of the Brain, prior to “psychiatric therapies.”
    The drugs stop one side from sending, the other from recieving, this a Dr. told me.
    No answers come to me anymore, can’t see or hear that which I want, can’t send my Soul Mate Dreams as I used to, she can’t send to me…
    She used to call me from Work at my Work in the Mornings to tell me in explicit detail of a Dream I rembered. She was 300Km away.
    Now the only Dreams I have is when someone I know Dies, they come to see me, we have fun, then I read the Arbituary.
    Some I don’t know see me also.
    Thus I knew then why I have NO Thought, None Sending, None Recieving, as they wish it to be.
    If we are all Mindless Zombies as we ALL are on “medication” World Wide Government will be achievable…
    THE END OF CIVILIZATION.
    THEY MUST REMOVE OUR LOYALTY TO NATION, FAMILY, KILL OUR INDIVIDUALITY, REMOVE OUR SENSE OF WRIGHT& WRONG…
    With the DSM as it is Today, I could “medicate” ALL on the plannet.
    The “medication” at “therepudic” doses stopps a Womans Cycle.
    Women should Bleed at least once every 3 Months (dosn’t have to be regular).
    To aid in the prevention of Uterine probs & Cancer prevention…
    When the Poor Woman has her “medication lowered, gets pregnant, the Baby will be born in a BAD way, “psychiatrists” atribute this to Mums “disorder” NOT their Drugs.
    Perhaps my Tadpoles are now like Homer J Simpsons?
    My last IQ test I was told I was Homer J Simpson.
    Great job from 190 to Homer J.
    Eugenics anyone?
    Eugenics same as “psychiatry” Eugenics FUELED WWII Hitler & Co.
    Karadsitch “psychiatrist” & Serb leader led them to Murder Crows & Bosnians reason being:
    “The Croations & Bosnians are going through an Anal Period.”
    What is that?
    Psych. BABLE.
    Another “psychiatrist” is Bin Laddens chief adviser.
    “psychiatry is a Key player in all Wars & Racial Hatred…
    Are Bins Kidneys packed up due to say Lithium?
    I know a Woman, in 2 Months she had compleate Renal Failier…
    Then in One Night she was Raped 4 Times in the “psychiatric Ward.”
    She got $80000, her Solicitor took $60000.
    It must have been soooo bad for him, her getting Raped for he needed 3 times the compansation…
    Switched off & Unplugged. DEAD, NO WORSE.
    ALL “therapies” wipe out Grey Matter & Neurotransmitters. They do not seem to come back
    I read Pomagranite & Some Protein rebuilds Neurotransmitters, no luck yet.
    I still have NO Mind.
    Proven to destroy the Frontal Lobe, the hippi/ocampus, the Ceribrium…
    Damage to these areas is KNOWN & POVEN to CAUSE ALL the Behaviours listed in the DSM.
    Most of Americas Presidents are/where BP.
    Professor of Psychiatry from the US of A told me:
    “Bi-polar does not make you insane.”
    So why are forced to see shrinks we are NOT insane, why are we FORCE TREATED?
    (they shrink ALL which is good grow ALL that isn’t Hatred Anger…).

  23. Someone eles:
    The debate you Promised???
    I HAVE EXCELLENT HEALTH I HAVE WEANED SLOWLY OFF ALL “MEDICATIONS”.
    SADLY MY MIND HASN’T RETURNED.
    ALSO I AM STILL SLEEPING 0 TO 8 HRS A NIGHT.
    MY WHOLE LIFE (WHEN I HAD ONE PRE PSYCH.). I SLEPT 24 HRS A WEEK OR NONE.
    ONCE DONE OVER 2 MONTHS WHITHOUT SLEEP, IT WAS WONDERFUL, I FELT BETTER & MORE AT PEACE EACH DAY, IN AURE OF CREATION, CREATIVE INVENTIVE INSIGHTFUL…
    NOW I HAVE ZIP!

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