The Key Bipolar Secret Underrated

The Key Bipolar Secret Underrated

Hi,

How’s it going today. I got up super late today. I
have no idea. But it’s Sunday so I guess I am allowed
to get up late.

Anyway, I have to really make this quick because I am
going on a 9.8 mile hike today in the Delaware Water
Gap.

Anyway let’s jump into today’s important bipolar
disorder lesson.

Last night I was interviewing a person by the
name of Bob. Oh yes, you might be thinking
it’s sad that I am a) working on a Saturday night
and b) interviewing people on a Saturday night.
I guess it’s kind of sad but it’s for a good
cause :).

Okay so Bob had about 10 years of really difficult
struggle trying to get stable with bipolar disorder.
Eventually after 8 to 10 years and 6 different doctors,
he found on that helped him get on the right Bipolar
medication which led to him being stable now for
years.

During the interviewing Bob was faced with numerous
challenges like having an alcoholic dad, a mother
that didn’t know what was wrong with him, teachers
that didn’t know what was wrong with him, a drinking
problem himself, a drug problem himself, violent
thoughts, suicidal thoughts, attempts of suicide,
and doctors that fell asleep while he was talking
to them, one doctor that basically said he was a
lost cause and there was no hope, a doctor that
just didn’t care at all or really help and many
other major difficulties.

The thing is, Bob was his own supporter. Unlike
many people on my list with bipolar disorder,
bob didn’t have a wife or kids that were trying
to help him. I must say, this is the first interview
of it’s kind that I have done.

Most people with bipolar disorder have supporters
of some kind. Now they may have alienated them
but they had or kind of have them. Bob on the
other hand didn’t have any one really.

DURING THE INTERVIEW I WAS AMAZED

I was really amazed at Bob. I must say,
I was thinking, “With everything that
Bob had going against him, he should
have been dead.”

I have heard of many people who had far less
going against them and they had wound up
dying in some way. These of course are people
with bipolar disorder that were not stable.

So I was thinking, “What made the difference
with Bob? Why did Bob hang in there until
he found a doctor to help him become stable????”

I was waiting to get the answer during our interview
and then……

IT CAME!!!!!!

Bob finally said the key or the secret. Guess what
it was??????? First take a guess and see if you
can guess it and then scroll down for the
right answer….

DON’T CHEAT 🙂 Guess then scroll

THERAPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That’s right it was therapy. Even though
Bob didn’t have the great doctor when he
got on his journey to stability, he did
go to therapy and did involve himself
in the church which gave him a kind of
therapy. He did a lot of therapeutic
things.

That was the key for Bob. So Bob had
enough therapy that when he was faced
with difficulties he could work through
it so he could eventually get to the
right doctor.

I was really excited and then I was thinking
“Hey I need to email you guys to let you know
this.” Why? Well because therapy is really
underrated. I am not sure why.

Many people that are dumb or “meat heads” in weight
lifting talk, think therapy is for woman, wimps
or weak people. This is NOT true.

NOTE-“meat heads” is a term used in weight lifting
and football. It’s big rather dumb people who
talk in simple terms and define everything in
terms of it’s level of masculinity/strength. For example,
the “meat head” says to the person with a good
job, family and career, “Dude I am stronger than
you.” To the meat head, therapy is for woman
or weak men. But the meat head doesn’t get
far in life :).

Anyway, I interviewed Bill a couple of weeks ago.
Bill is like 6′ 5” 270, multiple black belts and
he can kill a person with probably one finger but he doesn’t because
he is a really nice guy. BUT he could if he
had to defend himself. Anyway Bill is a “man”
and he said the key with his stability was therapy.

I am not sure why therapy is not talked about a lot.
Now don’t get me wrong medication is super important
but I believe therapy is as well.

Everyone that I interview with bipolar disorder
in my courses/systems that does well goes to therapy.

SUPPORTING AN ADULT?
Visit:
http://www.bipolarsupporter.com/report11

SUPPORTING A CHILD/TEEN?
Visit:
http://www.bipolarparenting.com

HAVE BIPOLAR DISORDER?
Visit:
http://www.survivebipolar.net

Many supporters go to therapy as well and it helps
them become better supporters. I am not sure why
therapy is not talked about more often. BUT,
I will say therapy runs through 95% if not
more of the bipolar success stories that I
know.

Hey I have to take off now. I have to get
ready for my hike. Tomorrow I will write more
on this subject.

DO ME A FAVOR. If you have great results
with therapy write a story at the link below.
Let’s try to “sell” more people on therapy
so we can help lots of people.

Your Friend,

Dave

P.S. Check out my F.ree blog with copies of emails
that I have sent in the past and lots of great
information for you:
http://www.bipolarcentral.com/supporterblog/

P.P.S Check out my F.ree podcast. Hear me give
mini seminars designed to teach you information
you can’t learn anywhere else.
http://bipolarcentral.libsyn.com

  1. Hi David!

    I hope you enjoy your hike today!

    You actually mentioned two important keys or secrets: therapy and CHURCH!!

    I am 1400 miles away from my entire family, classicly bipolar, and except for phone calls and an annual visit–completely alone. Like Bob, I am my own supporter, and completely stabilized, except that zyprexa makes me sleep too much, so I can’t work a regular job. My psychiatrist frequently tells me that I make his job easy, because I have such a good grasp of my symptoms and of my illness as a whole. I am not in therapy now, but I am a big believer in it, I’ve had lots of exposure to it in the past, and I know exactly where to go at any time that the need should arise.

    I’ve been very lucky, but I was in my forties until I had access to a psyciatrist and medication. Prior to that time, I credit the fact that I was born into a very religious family, with Church and parochial school available almost every day, not just every Sunday. Not only were these factors of great importance to the development of my life, stress, and mental illness coping skills, but they were of great help to my parents and siblings–all of whom experience this illness to some degree. In contrast, the next generation of my family, due to the fact that some of my siblings did turn against the Church, and turned to drugs and alcohol, were not allowed to have exposure to the same Church. Some of them failed to graduate from high school, went to correctional institutions, had suicide attempts, nearly died from a drug and alcohol overdose–you get the picture. Guess what one of the girls did when she turned eighteen–she joined the Church! She didn’t stabilize right away, but she is on the right track at present.

    I am so convinced of the importance of religion, both private and organized, that my next big project is to obtain a master’s degree in theology.

    I’ll also put in a big plug for therapy. Most of mine was individual, but in the hospital and afterwards I was involved in groups. In high school, the school psychologist found me, thank goodness! In college, I had a counselor. In college, I also majored in psychology. I then went on into the helping professions myself, and actually sponsored some groups of my own, one of which was to discuss family relationships. The other group was Narcotics Anonymous–this group was started due to member request, and was pretty much run by the members.

    Now I’m going to tell you a little story to make a little point, but I think you’ll understand why it is so important. Today is my birthday.
    Over the years, I’ve had to develop a few little coping skills to deal with the fact that I am always alone on my birthday, and nobody that I am going to see that day is going to know about it. It is not difficult at all to put them into practice, because I have a wonderful Church home, and this year my birthday falls on a Sunday. For years, our pastor has always given people a birthday blessing. I walked up to him after the service, and he was delighted to give me a blessing. We serve coffee and donuts afterwards. When the pastor arrived, he told everybody that it was my birthday and had them sing to me. This was all entirely appropriate, even though I am a 56 year old woman, because I was personally acquainted with nearly everyone who was there, from ten years attendance at this Church, and all of these people were delighted to help me celebrate my birthday.

    I bet it was my birthday blessing that made it possible for you to mention the factors of therapy and Church on this same day, and to make it possible for me to tell you this story.

    God Bless You David!

    marstein

  2. I know the value of therapy for dealing with most of lifes hurdles. However a word of caution. Just like with a doctor you need to find a great therapist. I have Psychology degree from a major Canadian University and I worked as a counsellor for almost 10years. I went to therapy with my ex-wife (undiagnosed or treated likely Bi-polar I applied DSM IV to her and guess what Bi-polar 1) to try to learn to get along. At the first session we gave our ‘life history’ I was late due to work so did not witness her life story. In a nut shell she lied she forgot to mention her new live in boyfriend that she was expecting his baby etc… She was able to con the counsellor with missing information, but because I thought he knew I did nothing about it. My ex-wife is in therapy lots of therapy and has been for years, I believe it has kept her from hurting my kids more and from killing herself. However because she has gone to counselling through Women’s services she can easilly deflect attention from herself and maintain her ‘victim’story. The upside to the joint counselling we went to, was that I as a suporter I got a lot from it. I woke me up to her tactics, it also helped me transform from an enabler to a supporter. I no longer play her games by her rules and will now forever be more vigilant. The main point I want to make is that as with the doctor the therapist has to be GOOD at what they do and YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THEY GET THE WHOLE PICTURE, not just what the bi-polar person wants them to hear. The counsellor we went to was extremely good, he tricked me at every turn making me look at myself honestly, and saw through my self-lies(not fun but necessary) yet because he was insufficiently informed about my ex-wife she played him. NOw we are in summer again she is ramping her episode up, about to have a baby and go postpartum despression, and her only support is the abusive boy she is dating (20years old) I have no contact with her, they are way to dangerous.
    So the moral is shop for a therapist as you would the doctor, be honest with them, give them time. And if a supporter be sure that the therapist is well informed and qualified. ANd as in my case not biased and not I repeat not going to enable the bi-polar individuals destructive behaviours and lies. ANd while I am not religious, I have seen from my sister-in-law (yes my ex-wife’s sister) that the church can help a person take control of their lives and disorders and live productive lives, as long as the participant is sincere in their paticipation.
    And always remember as Dave stresses take care of yourselves, I didn’t and am now trying to recover myself to where i once was (I also was (am?) invovled in bodybuilding)

  3. Hi David,

    I was diagnosed with bipolar 2 in 2003. I am on SSDI because my meds make it impossible for me to work and I cannot handle the least bit of stress anymore.

    My husband is bipolar 1. Talk about a mixed bag of a marriage we have. I call us quadripoles, ha, ha.

    Seriously, I found a clinic that was free right away. I have a psychiatrist and a therapist, the same ones from the beginning.

    I have only my husband and my 79 year old mother who does not think I have bipolar and refuses to admit that I do. My husband is doing great right now and he basically does everything for me. If it weren’t for him I would be totally lost. And when he is sick, I am on very shaky ground.

    I have no other family nearby or anyone who would be willing to take on me to care for. Sometimes I fear the future if something happened to my husband. But, what keeps that from being an obessive thought is my faith that God will always pull me through. I have had very, very stressful life full of abuse, overworked, alcohol, an alcoholic mother, two failed marriages and I am on my third, on and on it goes.

    What I am trying to say is I go to therapy faithfully and have since I was diagnosed. That is where I can be totally honest, vent, cry, and tell her about what my experiences have been since I saw her last. She has helped me greatly. She is very compassionate.

    I am also very blessed to have a compassionate psychiatrist. They both know me so well they rarely open my file at an appointment because they remember me because my life has always been multiple big stresses, one after the other since I was 14. I am 52 now.

    Also, I am a Christian. My beliefs give me comfort and keep my thinking straight. The Bible gives me benchmarks to reach and goals to set for myself.

    I also belong to a small Christian bipolar group that are wonderful! We support and love each other unconditionally, no backbiting or nasty comments, just support for the ones who are stuggling and sharing the victories, however small, for encouragement to each other.

    So, like Marstein said, church and therapy! And I would add good med combinations and a good psychiatrist. Both have saved me from going completely off the wall.

    If you don’t “click” with your therapist or psychiatrist DON’T GIVE UP LOOKING FOR THE RIGHT ONE FOR YOU!!!! It is a long journey, but I was blessed to hit it all on the first visit.

    So, what has worked for me is the right meds, the right psychiatrist, the right therapist, a support group, and my faith in God. It’s worth all the effort to get to this point no matter what. It is what keeps me stable.

    I hope I have helped someone have a “light bulb moment” that they need to agressively go after their own treatment, that way if you have no one to help you, you will succeed eventually in finding the right help for yourself.

    Sharon

  4. PS Forgot to mention. In regards to the therapy only for women or wimps. I am over 6’tall 200plus pounds weightlifter second degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do (for 24 years) provincial(I am Canadian) champion in Judo (brown belt), 3 year undefeated. Spent 8 years working as a jail guard, spent several years working in a home for developmentally handicapped adults (the house was ranked as one of the 4 most dangerous in the province due to the nature of the residents, great people but you want to talk episodes!!!!!) So I would not consider myself a wimp, and I truly believe in the need for quality therapy. ACtually I believe that you need to be strong to benefit from therapy. Facing your true self(problems) takes far more courage than facing down a convict, I should know.

  5. My 25 year old son has just impulsively left NJ and is in So California. Had a bad breakup, had always wanted to go there and he did. He has no one there, hopefully will take his medication – i believe he only took it for the girl. He’s done well only on zyprexa. I believe therapy and a support group would enhance his wellness tremendously. He hasn’t even found a place to live yet – but can afford $750/mo.
    He has his 2 dogs with him – very attached- “his family”. He surfs and I’ve been trying to find out if a Christian surfers group exists out,there. He is noy overly religious but I thougt thy might be able to connect with him, reach out and help him get settled. Anyone out there have any thoughts or suggestions?
    His Mom

  6. Hi David,

    I hope your hike was fun today!!

    You talked about the two most important things I believe in, CHURCH and a support system, whether that is therapy or a BIBLE STUDY, I prefer my BIBLE STUDY. Our group is called OVERCOMERS and we use NEIL ANDERSONS literature, “WHO I AM IN CHRIST,” it has been one of the best tools for many people in our community with addictions or mentals issues or just your regular issues in life.

    I have been diagnosed bipolar for 11 years, my mother was bipolar, and my 26 year old son has also been diagnosed. Each of taking a little different medication. But all of us have been seen by the psychiatric field and medical field. We have been helped the most by the spiritual parts of our life.

    I do not feel that having this disorder has totally been a detriment to my family or my life. Because GOD has used it in many ways. Thank you for what you David. Dia in Libby Montana

  7. Another great topic on the issue of BPD. I too have a strong christian faith, a great therapist, and BPD. It never fails, when I am “stuck”, however that may be, my therapist helps me to see a bigger picture of options, ones that I can’t see alot of the time because I am too busy panicing 🙂 I do that well sometimes. Anyway, therapy is not just sitting infront of someone and spilling your deepest, worst thoughts and fears. Infact, it isn’t that at all for me. I also get a boat-load of “great job” and “Your right on track”, and “Wow, look what you have just accomplished”. You know, the things we all sometimes have trouble saying to or seeing for ourselves. I have found these past two years that I have been coherent, it has become almost a “habit” of thinking toward the negative. My therapist and I spend a lot of time working on that list of problems Dave talks about, and we talk about the things that are not problems, but are things that I want to accomplish regardless of my obstacles. My therapist has a great way of helping me to see the good or the lesson in some of my not so wise decisions. I give therapy 2 THUMBS UP!
    K

  8. HI.

    theropy

    WHAT A WONDERFULF THING IF…..
    you get a good group or theroapist.

    If you buy shoes that don’t quite fit right you get sore feet or blisters or bunions etc. but the right shoe for your foot will go miles and miles for you and you’ll never buy a pair that doesent fit ever again. Much like theropy. I have been to many different typs of theropy some good, some bad and then i met the best theropitst and we clicked. No word of a lie i felt like the haze was lifted on my life and my life has been different ever since i met my MARY!
    I will not say that it was easy to find her because i had to go to alot of awful group sessions, embaressing moments and near brakedowns to figure out there must be a better way. IF it doesen’t fell 100% good to go then my advice would be you haven’t found the right fit yet, and to keep looking. Its out there.
    life this way is so worth it, and when i look back at the way things were, eeeish! i would not want that again.
    don’t give up, you will find one that works for you.

  9. Hi David,
    I was diagnosed as having bipolar in 1988. I had been battling with moods swings and/or episodes for years. I was on medication for a short time and have been hospitalized in the past. I have been in and out of therapy from then on. Mostly because I chose to go before I felt out of control. I have not had any major espisodes or symptoms since 1991. I don’t know exactly what’s working for me. I am currently a therapist and many of my friends are therapist. So maybe that’s what did it. My mother is also bipolar. I remember how tramatic my childhood was. I am dating someone that is bipolar. He is on medication and is doing okay. His last espisode was less that 3 months ago. I am a little concerned about our relationship. I have children from a previouse marrage gone bad. Although he is the most loving and caring man there is to know & was tossed around the thought of marriage, I am concerned about his stability. Life with children can be stressing especially in blended families.

  10. I also forgot to mention religion. I believe that my faith in God has also helped me get through some really tough times in my life. I think back on some tramatic experiences even as and adult and wonder how I ever got through it without having a major break down. I truly believe that my faith, my christian threapist, and support from friends has and continues to keep me stable. To clarify, I have not taken medications since 1992(?). I’m not saying that it’s easy to remain stable without meds. I think that they are important. This is just what has been working for me right now. I am not sure if I would ever need meds again. Only time will tell.

  11. Dave Great writing I really enjoy it. I have been in therapy on and off since I was 19 Iam 61 now. Once it was determined that I was BP thrapy became all the more important. I would be in therapy to day except the medical fascility I use is about 40 miles away. This was not a problem until I developed a fear of driving on the freeways. I still drive to town about 20 miles away . This does not seem to effect me.

    Any way keep up the good work

    Have a happy day.
    Michael

  12. YOu are correct in your comment about therapy being underated. However, I think it is important to note that “therapy” can be formal or informal. Self-talk, playing basketball, weight lifting, singing, cooking etc are all activites that can be equallly as therapeutic as group or individual sessions with a trained counselor. The type of therapy that is best for the individual must be decided between the clinician and patient.
    I want to thank you for the newsletters. Your insight and knowledge sheds light on a subject that is often overlooked and misunderstood. Continued success!

  13. Dave,

    I agree with much of what you have to say about bi-polar disorder, specifically therapy. However, i wanted to mention that there can be a therapeutic effect in playing a sport, cooking, singing, meditating, etc. The specific form of therapy should be dicided between clinician and patient. Thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule to speek to a subject that is often overlooked and misunderstood. Continued success!

  14. hi dave
    well im quite slow with responding to mail but i’ll step up. im glad u talked about therapy because in my experiences with mental illness, i have conme to realise we have better prognosis with therapy. people stay better longer. this is because therapy gives the individual a sense of importance irrispective of what others or they may think of themselves at the moment. it gives one reason to fight because a good therapist will help u realise ur self importance and inner strength. he/she will help u n ur lovedones understand ur condition and this tends to reduce the weight with which u look at B.P. a good therapist will be firm, honest, strict but will never make u feel a burden or better off dead. i culd go on n on about the importance of therapy, but be carefull to get a good one. they can also break u really badly.

  15. Dear David,
    I have been receiving and reading your emails and on bipolar disorder. About 20 years ago my therapist diagnosed me chronic manic depressive. I’ve learned in the last year, through another therapist, that these days we call that Bipolar. My reaction was denial. I said that I know bipolar people and I am definately not one of them. I continued to say that I admit I do have problems, but I only know type 3 bipolar people. I am trying to find what type I am. Reading your emails has taught me that I am bipolar by all the classic signs and signals. I have a very important question for you. About 3 years ago during one of my manically depressed episodes, while driving I fell asleep or dazed of resulting in a fatal accident. I went off in the other lane and hit someone in the oncoming lane. Next month I go to trial. My question is can my being bipolar help or hurt in this situation? I’ve been told by some friends that I should go to Mental Health Court. Is that correct? I am scared and trying to get this all under control. Is there anything you can suggest to help? Sincerely, hooked on your helpful reading materials, Bobbi.

  16. Hi Dave,
    Great subject! I have been in therapy since I was 21,(for an attempted suicide).She suggessted long term therapy, well here I am 47 and still in therapy.

    All those years, I kept waiting to get better! I wasn’t diagnosed with bi polar till I was 45!

    But, I am so glad that I continued with therapy because all of those years it was the only thing that kept me going, because I knew something just wasn’t right and my life was always in turmoil.
    So, anyone that feels like the 15 minute med check once a month with your physc just isn’t making you feel better, I strongly suggest a good therapist, there is nothing better in the world to be able to talk with someone that truly understands and listens and doesn’t judge and just loves you. I love my therapist. I have been seeing her for 3 years.

    I have seen many over the years. One that I will never forget was a little old woman in Detroit who taught me how to tolerate being touched. She also taught me how to ground myself when my head would be spinning. I still use what she taught me to this day.

    There is nothing in the world like a good therapist.

    Nobody else in your life understands or makes you feel ok just the way you are or tells you how to change your stinkin thinkin. It truly is something I would suggest to anyone, man or woman, that deals with bi polar. It makes it a little easier to live with when you know you have an appt. with your therapist that week. I always leave feeling like the sun came out finally and my life isn’t quite so bad.

    keep up the good work Dave, you are great.

    Laurie
    up all nite in Phx

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