Have this bipolar supporter problem?

Hi,

How are you? I wanted to drop you a quick email
of something that came up yesterday. I spoke
to someone that had filled out one of my
f.ree consultation question certificates
for NON medical and NON legal questions.

This person said to me, “I went through
all your bipolar supporter course material
and it all looks great. I totally agree
and understand what you are saying BUT,
I feel guilty when I do some of the
things you recommend. Even though
I know they are the right thing to
do. What should I do. Please help me.”

Well I got this and called the person
right away.

Guilt is a HUGE problem with the person
with bipolar disorder AND the bipolar
supporter.

When I first started putting a plan
in place for my mom, the plan included
new policies, procedures and rules.

One of the rules was caps on how much
could be spent on groceries and also
NO more using c.redit cards. My mom
was spending up to $1800 a month on
groceries. The max the bill should have
been was $600.

Her c.redit cards were through the roof.
She had over $30,000 of d.ebt and was
being charged a massive 29.9% interest
on almost all cards. It was incredible.

So I cur spending immediately. I took
away her c.redit cards and she went
ballistic on me. I remember one day
I was sitting at a random hospital
getting some paperwork done. Sometimes
I go to random places to do work
when I can’t find somewhere other than
a random place.

Anyway, she called me 14 times in a row.
Call after call. She left angry messages.
She was crying. She was saying I was a bad
son. A terrible person. I took away her
dignity. She wanted me to die. She couldn’t
afford her medication. On and on and on.

She was also calling my dad. He started
calling me asking me if we should give
her maybe one c.redit card. I said NO.
Period. I said if I was going to help
it had to be this way otherwise forget
it.

My dad said how he was feeling guilty.
My mom always knew she could break my
dad down easily. Me it doesn’t work. She
could call me 1 million times and if something
is right, it’s right. I won’t budget unless
there is a logical reason to. There
was no logical reason to give her a c.redit
card. My dad was paying for her doctor visits
and medication. All food was being bought
with a check.

There was no good reason. But I could tell,
my dad felt guilty for the c.ards being taken
away.

Then before this, my mom didn’t want to go
to the hospital. It took me 90 days to figure
out how to get her to go on her own using
one of my 21 techniques that I have.

BUT then when she was in the hospital for
the first day, she wanted to come out and
there was all kinds of drama. She called my
dad and myself collect (a call that cost
like a $100) telling us we were terrible
for bringing her to the hospital. My
dad asked if maybe she should be in the
hospital. I said, “Dad, she was in the
hospital one day and the hospital looks
better than any vacation I have been on in
12 years).

As a side note, I never knew what the inside
of a psychiatric hospital looked like. I
was kind of scared as to what it would look
like when I went. I thought it would look like
something from the movie Silence of the Lambs or
more like a prison.

I was shocked when I went. It looked like a
hotel. There were all kinds of TVs and people
were seeming to have fun. I certainly looked
better than any place I had gone in the past
decade. I know we can debate what the insides
of these places look like and I am sure there
are bad ones but where my mom went was a good
one.

After she got out, she did admit she liked
and everyone was nice and she met nice people.

Anyway, my dad started to feel guilty with
my mom in the hospital.

The list goes on and on. I never felt guilty
doing these various things. Why? Is it because
I am a mean person on a fast track to hell? Is
it because I am soooooo controlling like some
lady wrote on my blog?

NO!

It’s because I knew it was the right thing to
do for my mom. I had done enough research to
know what was the right thing. Now I must
admit, there are certain gray area things
that I had to do that I didn’t know 100%
whether or not it was the right thing to do.

For example, I decided not to pay off my
mom’s d.ebt by taking all my retirement
money and giving it to her. I was considering
this and having her pay me back. I did feel
bad/guilty that she had massive d.ebt and was
going to struggle to pay it off.

I decided against this because I would
be destroying my future which I had already
done already and didn’t want to. BUT, I didn’t
know exactly if this was the right choice.

NOTE-My mom is almost out of d.ebt totally.
I came up with a system you can learn about here
http://www.bipolarcentral.com/debtletter

For most supporters, you are going to feel
guilty doing things that you have not been
doing in the past with your loved one. In
the past, you have probably enabled your loved
one, not been the best supporter, not learned
about the illness, not taken it seriously
enough, given way too much money to your
loved one, fixed all their problems, etc.
etc.

If you look at my courses/systems:

SUPPORTING AN ADULT?
Visit:
http://www.bipolarsupporter.com/report11

SUPPORTING A CHILD/TEEN?
Visit:
http://www.bipolarparenting.com

HAVE BIPOLAR DISORDER?
Visit:
http://www.survivebipolar.net

You’ll notice that I recommend taking tough
stands. It’s the only way that works.

Today, you hear in my bipolar supporter course/system
what I had to do and the end result which is my
mom is doing better than she has ever done. Things
aren’t perfect but way better than they use to be.

Today my mom is happy I took her c.redit cards away,
happy I let her pay off her own d.ebt, happy
that I got her into the hospital.

Here is an email from her:

————————————–
From:
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 2:30 PM
To: David Oliver
Subject: Good News

Chase credit card statement came in today and all
that is owed is $156.56. I have been trying to pay
this off for over 25 years.
Thanks to your help-this will be the second
card paid off since 2004.
I will be out of d.ebt in 6 months or so.
I appreciate you enlisting me in the Program and making
the system you did. It is a challenge sometime but
I have learned from you how important it is to watch
those pennies and save them.
Also, do no use credit cards-I do not like to
touch them-they make me nervous.
-Mom

==================================

The strange thing is this. If you are supporting someone
not doing well now, most of what you do for them will
make them mad. They will say mean things to you. BUT
overtime, as they get better, most will greatly appreciate
it. That’s the strange thing about this illness.

I have to take off, have a great day.

Your Friend,

Dave

P.S. Check out my F.ree blog with copies of emails
that I have sent in the past and lots of great
information for you:
http://www.bipolarcentral.com/supporterblog/

P.P.S Check out my F.ree podcast. Hear me give
mini seminars designed to teach you information
you can’t learn anywhere else.
http://bipolarcentral.libsyn.com

  1. **Anyway, she called me 14 times in a row. Call after call. She left angry messages. She was crying. She was saying I was a bad son. A terrible person. I took away her dignity. She wanted me to die. She couldn’t afford her medication. On and on and on.**

    I always find a source of comfort in ur emails david, and i thank u for that…it is a gift…

    Last year, i was cursed and told 2 die s0 many times, i’m surprised i have managed to function with s0 much hate directed at me! This was the turning point for me..the moment of realisation, that there was something very wrong with the person i was loving…

    Thank u for ur continual information and gentle insight…u give me the strength i need to hold on…

    xxbuTTerFLy ~ Londonxx

  2. Hi Dave, you email was insightful and strong. My Husband of 20 years is bipolar. He’s on meds and doing as okay as he can, I guess. Me, I feel like I’ve been through a war and still in one that never ends. I am about to give up and call it quits. I need peace, friends (he’s driven them all away), room to breath. Help!! I am desparate. I really don’t want to cut and run, but right now that is what I feel is the only answer for my own sanity. And, yes I feel guilty.

    This is the first time I’ve signed.
    on to your blog. I hope someone sees this or you. I don’t even know anymore if I am making sense. Hubby is controlling, hurtful in words, no positive feedback, no real conversations,no sense of humor, no love of life, no imagination, no loving at all:>( And, yes I am an enabler from reading your info.

    Very Unhappy,

    Sandcastle

  3. (((Hang in there @ sandcastle..ur despair is heard and supported)))

    Nobody can tell u what u must do..only u can know the answer to this..but if u need respite..solace..take ur time..u deserve it..and when u regain ur strength u will kn0w what u must do…

    Like i have always said..Love alone can never b enough..our battles are s0ul destroying..but strength wins..and it leads our path…fuels us to carry on…

    x Luck x

    xxbuTTerFLy ~ Londonxx

  4. Hi Dave, I have been following your e-mails for 3 weeks now and there has been alot of great info. I have turned many friends and family onto your advice. We have all been trying to help my wife. The problem is the 3 doctors and three hospitals can’t agree on what is wrong with her. the latest thing i am getting is that she is mixed bipolar with personality disorder. From what i have learned the meds are similiar but the therapy is very different. Helping loved ones with bipolar includes us helping her without enableing her. With personality disorder i am not supposed to do anything to help her period(according to my last hospital visit.) i want her better, i love her very much. i just don’t know what to do.
    steve

  5. Dear Sir
    I have been dx with bipolsar for over half my life,I have gone through yrs of different medicine.About 9 yrs ago a couple of friends and I started a bipolar depression room called Mixednuts.It is a great room where instead of the dark side of bipolar this room is about the lighter side. It usees Laughter as the main objective.We are a group of fellow “nutters” whom get together and should it be nessesarywe can and will sit w/ one who should need a bit of one on one help or even as a group we will help a person in any way that we can. There is a wide arrange of ages
    that come to the room.We have had quite a few successful marraiges within the room. The room has also been honoured with several awards.The pople and the moderators (myself included ) has been a treasure to me and to many others. Please check us out. Use my name Quietgert, and sit and enjoy what you see. the address is http://www.mixednuts.net Hope to see you there and hope you enjoy your visit while there… From Mary (AKA,Ziggy,AKA, quietgert)

  6. Hi

    I have read all your comments. I no longer feel alone. I feel enlightened by what I have read.

    Just hang in there.

    Dorrie

  7. David I am having problems signing in to post. I have redone the sign in four times now. It will allow me to post after each new sign up but I have to do it again and again. What am I doing wrong?

    For “sandcastle” I have been sandwiched in between two people in my family that are bi-polar. One is my mother and the other is my daugther.

    With my mother I finally left at the age of 25 because she refused to believe she had issues and seek help. She enjoyed the torture and torment she gave out. Once she tried to kill use both by driving over a freeway overpass. She has beaten me with coat hanger, broom handles, dislocated my jaw and called me names a child should never have to hear from a mother’s lips. The final straw was when she threaten me about my daughter and I thought of suicide just to get away from her constant harrasment. That is when it was over.

    My daughter on the other had is not violent with me but very manipulative and lazy. She wants me to do everything for her and uses her condition as the excuse.

    She comes up with some wild stories. She whines and cries and pleads! She use to punch holes in the walls! When I stooped responding to her little episodes them things started to change but very slowly!

    She knows she needs to take her medicine but will only do so for a week or two and then it is back to the same grind.

    I stopped pleading, giving opions or suggestions because they were never utilized. When she has been arrested in the past for public intoxication and this last time for shoplifting a DVD I did not bail her out. Her so called friends who got her to steal for them and they thought I was an awful monster about that.
    She was 27, she knew how I felt about stuff like that, she new the rules long ago. If she chose to ignore them then she paid for the mistake on her own.

    One of the effects of bi-polar seems to be a disregard for responsibilities of their actions or behaviour.

    My daughter is now 28 and she comes to see me very seldom because I will no longer pay for any of her messes and I do not responed to her manipulations. I finally have some peace in my life.

    It was hard fought and hard won but you can do it as well. If your husband refuses to help himself and wants to use you as a whipping post then you will have to decide what you want in life. Peace or ?

    It is hard especially when you love them so to take drastic measures but it can finally come to your sanity or their unending torments and needs. If they chose not to help themselves then you cannot help them.

    You have my heartfelt prayers and support in whatever you chose.

    Zana

  8. Hi Dave,
    First and foremost I’d like to thank you for your emails.
    They are great reading and pack with information.
    I wish I would’ve looked into this disorder 8 years ago when my partner was first diagnose.
    This disorder has now destroyed my relationship with my partner and our Family of three children.
    My X partner of 9 years left us after her 4 episode.
    You see she dose not think she is sick, even those she his been in hospital 4 time and staying in, up to 1 month at a time.
    She will only take her meds for the time she under th MH act, which is only 6 months.
    Then 15-18 months later with the 6 month it has taken her /us to recover, all hell brakes loose agian.
    98% of the stuff that these people get up to in an episode I have seen and lived first hand.
    Still I still look forward to your next email as it give me insight and understand about this disorder.
    I may still be able to help her some way, as long as she stays on her meds this time.
    Our children are our bond,an 8 year old a 5 year old and a 3 month old when she left 3 months ago.
    Who knows I may have to use your information and support with my children.
    Hope not!!!
    Hey thanks again for you supportive information.

    Regards Jon.

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *