Bipolar: Changing Intolerable Behavior

Hi,

I got this email and wanted to share it with you:

“I have a question/comment. Dave, you mention that bipolar disorder comes along with rages in several different blogs you have posted. I find this difficult to digest. I have never accepted the raging and abusing. It is simply not healthy for the family, as it affects the atmosphere of a home and makes the nervous system of the family members very unstable !

Someone with bipolar should be held to the same standards as someone without bipolar. We cannot walk in an AT&T store and rage and threaten and get away with it, nor would we want to. We cannot throw chairs and typewriters or get up in peoples faces, just because we feel like it, yet you write that with bipolar this is part of it. Perhaps no-one has held the bipolar person accountable for their destructive behavior. It is not normal and the minute we accept it as “well they have rages” it is us who have gone crazy.

Intolerable behavior should never be allowed, especially when it is used to manipulate you with. Family members can only take so much crap from one person. And another thing, there is a huge difference in someone who has bipolar and has episodes but realizes how they behave and wants to change their behavior or take the medications that hold that behavior in check. It is completely different when a person with bipolar et al, refuses to acknowledge how their behavior affects other people around them.

It is not normal to rage. It is not normal to verbally abuse just for sport. And it should not be tolerated in the name of “oh well, they are bipolar” or whatever. The behavior is stuck below 5 years old and that is the awful truth. You cannot have an adult relationship with someone who
behaves like a pre-kindergartener !”
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First of all, let me say that I agree with this person.

Now, that may sound contradictory, since I have said what they said I did at the beginning of their email, so let me defend myself here. I have said in certain blog posts that bipolar does come
with rages. Manic rages. I’m talking about manic episodes here. And it does not happen to everyone, just to many people. Now that I’ve got that straight, let me continue.

Much of what this person said in their email can be typical of a person in a bipolar manic rage.
They can fly off the handle over seemingly nothing. They can throw a tantrum in a store. They can embarrass you in public.

But one thing I think this person is missing that I do tell people is that you have to set limits and boundaries. You have to decide what is tolerable and what is intolerable behavior and then set limits and boundaries on what you will take. Then you have to set up consequences for intolerable behavior.

The person who wrote the email talked about the loved one’s behavior being stuck below that of a 5 year old. So, basically, you treat them like one. If your 5 year old threw a tantrum in a store, what would you do? Would you tolerate the behavior? Or would there be consequences for the behavior because it is intolerable behavior? Then gradually they learn not to repeat the behavior,
don’t they?

It’s the same thing with your loved one. That’s what limits, boundaries, and consequences are
for. And if they do their job, eventually your loved one will stop doing intolerable behavior and will learn to act like an adult, like anyone without bipolar disorder would act. Like the person in the email said, about holding the loved one to the same standards as anyone who does not have bipolar disorder.

They also point out that there is a huge difference in someone who has bipolar disorder but realizes that they have this behavior and need to change it and someone who doesn’t see a need to change their behavior. You can work with the one who sees that they need to change their behavior. The other one is not ready yet.

Well, I have to go!

Your Friend,

Dave

  1. Can a person with bipolar disorder control their behavior WITHOUT medication – or are they not capable of doing so unless they are medicated?

    I have diagnosed bipolar friend who does not take medication AND controls his behavior when he knows that he can’t get away with it – that is – act out against a person who is stronger or not intimidated by him. However with weaker, younger or frightened person he insists he has no control.

  2. My husband suffers from extreme rages if he does not have
    Marijuana to keep him calm. He breaks my computers, anything he can smash and destroy. I have given him restraining orders and then he begs me to lft the order. I am almost 70 and he is 61. Yes he acts like a 5 year old. I dont live wirh him and am constantly threatened by him. He will not take medication like Ativan to control his temper tantrums. I just refuse to be around him during these episodes.

  3. My son has been going through episodes so bad that he’s hitting himself he had an ex that spent years putting him through some of the most sick emotion and mental head games and abuse that he now doesn’t trust anyone he violent at times but he also has seizures we don’t know why everytime we try to get his Dilantin levels up so he can do the necessary tests he gets into a rage and runs off he believes that the medications are worse then a fate worse than death and he thinks that I’m taking meds because I’m just lazy and trying to get high this is part of the ex’s tactics to get him against me because she was jealous that he had a mother hers had died so I can’t get him to take his meds for nothing in fact the last seizure he had lasted over 5 minutes and it took us over ten to bring him out of it then later when we called and told his doctor about the episodes and his behavior he put him on a low dose of lamictal he got so freaked out that he got his belongings and ran to his truck and took off making some other excuse he has a new girlfriend that lives with me and loves him alot she has worked with him so much to get him through alot of the crap that he’s been through and she’s heart broken we’re both afraid that something bad could happen to him its not like I can just put him in the hospital and this county has to be the worst for mental health care most of them don’t have a clue how to deal with this illness I have already lost my oldest son almost 3 years ago when he hung him self he was severely bipolar my middle son is also the same way he hears voices gets paranoid the whole thing and I’m trying to handle everytime they start having a problem I get a call they are angry or want to kill themselves and I’m also bipolar and disabled from fibromyalgia spinal damage and RA on top of it I need help also my other sons doc makes him come in for appointment every three months he also sees a therapist but if he can’t make the appointment then his primary doc won’t refill his mental health meds isn’t there some type of law about them stopping the bipolar meds on them we live in CA.

  4. My daughter really got straightened out once she heard her boyfriend say “I LOVE YOU”; she leaped for joy as a 5 year old grandchild of mine.

    started singing like a Nightingale. Outstanding!

    sometimes the best three words to calm down “the savage behavior” we pick up from outside of ourselves and carry everywhere with us is I LOVE YOU.

    MY BROTHER, HER UNCLE CALLS HER A TURKEY
    I CALL FLORENCE NIGHTINGALE – NOW SHE’S ACTUALLY ENROLLED IN A NURSING PROGRAM – HMMMM WE’LL SEE WHAT COMES OUT OF THAT – AT LEAST THE PRINCESS IS SINGING – THIS WAS ONE OF HER ENDEAVORS IN LIFE ANYWAY. she also wants to “Teach Singing” too to 2-4 years olds.

    Hurray

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