A Big Bipolar Supporter Mistake People Make

Hi,

It’s 6:30am and I am writing early today because I have
a million things to do. Actually not a million probably
around 17. It’s funny whenever I joke around people
write me an say that this or that is not true. So
before a bunch of people on my bipolar disorder list
can write and say that there is no way I can have
1 million things to do in a day, I will tell
you I was just kidding.

Okay on with the big mistake that I see so
many bipolar supporters making. It’s a mistake
I never personally made. I made a ton of mistakes
helping my mom with bipolar disorder but not
this one I am going to describe.

Here it is. It’s trying to change yourself
to get along with or be able to stay around
someone who is NOT stable and has bipolar
disorder.

Let me explain. I got a call from a person
yesterday. She filled out one of my f.ree consultation
certificates for non medical or non legal questions
because I am not a doctor or lawyer.

It’s in all these courses/systems.

SUPPORTING AN ADULT?
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http://www.bipolarsupporter.com/report11

SUPPORTING A CHILD/TEEN?
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http://www.bipolarparenting.com

HAVE BIPOLAR DISORDER?
Visit:
http://www.survivebipolar.net

Anyway, she was telling me how her husband
was totally out of control and she wasn’t
sure what to do. I asked her if she
had listened to all the parts of my bipolar
supporter course and she said no. Normally
I would reschedule any f.ree consultation
like this because I want people to go through
my bipolar course FIRST before I talk to
them about questions. I don’t want to repeat
what I have already said or written in
my course/system.

Anyway, she asked me over and over to just
give her 5 minutes of NON medical advice.
I was happy to hear her say, “I know you
aren’t a lawyer or doctor.” I want people
to be sure they know that.

Anyway she told me how basically her husband
was TOTALLY out of control and he
was destroying her and she felt like
maybe she had bipolar disorder and was
maybe crazy. She said she was depressed
and angry sometimes. She had gone
to the doctor and now is taking all
kinds of medication.

She wanted to know what techniques she
could use when her husband screams at her
and how she could “ignore” or “endure”
it.

I cut her off nicely and said, “You are
going about this the wrong way.” You
are trying to fix yourself when you
aren’t the problem. It’s your husband
with bipolar disorder that’s not stable
who is the problem. There isn’t any
medication or technique in the world
that you can take or learn that will
work on your husband.

READ THAT CAREFULLY AGAIN PLEASE.

She is taking medication for herself
and hoping her husband will change.

Read that again.

She is taking medication for herself
and hoping her husband will change.

It sounds crazy when you read it. She
is also trying to fix herself so she
can “endure” her husband’s wild manic
moods.

This is absolutely the wrong approach
in my opinion. Her goal is to get
her husband into treatment and get him
on bipolar medication so he will be
stable.

She is working on herself. I think because
she probably feels she has more control
over herself not him.

I told her to set a goal and focus on
getting him into treatment and other
things will start to fall into place
and many of the problems she is seeing
and hearing will go away when he is
in the right treatment program with
a good doctor/therapist.

She thought about it and then realized
how for years she had been focusing on
the wrong objective.

It’s not just her, I hear this every day.

Bipolar supporters who take medication
because their loved ones are out of control
or try to learn techniques to deal with
a person who will forever not be on
medication.

This is crazy. I am all for short term techniques
to cope and deal with bipolar disorder episodes
but not learning things to live with someone
who is not stable forever.

If my mom decided to not take medication and
not do all the right things to be stable
I would never put up with it and sit around
for years and years while I suffered. I know
it’s a struggle to get someone into treatment
and that’s why I have so many techniques
on how to get someone to a doctor if they
don’t want to go.

BUT, there is a fine line between trying to
get someone into treatment that goes into
an episode every now and then but not someone
you are expected to live with for years and years
who is never stable. I would not put up with that.
I also do not believe the way to go in this case
if to learn how to “endure” it.

Hey I have to run. Have a nice day.

Your Friend,

Dave

P.S. Check out my F.ree blog with copies of emails
that I have sent in the past and lots of great
information for you:
http://www.bipolarcentral.com/supporterblog/

P.P.S Check out my F.ree podcast. Hear me give
mini seminars designed to teach you information
you can’t learn anywhere else.
http://bipolarcentral.libsyn.com

  1. hey dave

    thanxs for that advice, however i do feel that if your loved one is bipolar you as a supporter need to be totaly in control of your emotions.

    since reading your articals i have realised that i need to be strong for both of us at times and i need to overcome my insecurities and stresses to function more effectively for the other person.

    i am taking medication that just allows me to remain calmer. it has to an extent helped me deal with my loved one.

    i dont know if its the right thing to do, but i suppose we all have to learn as we go hey.

    keeping strong in yourself is sometimes the most difficult part.

    thanks
    hope to hear from you soon

  2. what i find happens as it did in my case i had lived with someone with bipolar disorder for 25 years . i had no idea even what it was or that he had it for years into the marriage. i just knew he didnt react like other people did to things that happened. i didnt go into it with any information so it was easier for me to get lost in it. It was easier for him to say it was my fault and me to beleive him, i also tried to change clean more , try to keep the kids more quiet all of us changed to please him or to make things easier. and by the time i got sick of it and told him to find out what was wrong with him i was already almost 10 years into it…this was plenty of time to be abused, afraid and brainwashed. i was also trying to raise to young children and went into survive mode. a lot happened i didnt understand i took care of the situations as they arose but developed post traumatic stress syndrome and forgot a lot that did happen. anything that took place around an episode was blocked… in fact i apologized for not going to my brothers graduation…..i took the pictures! i remember none of it only that “he” was supposed to come with me and he had an episode so i told him not to bother i remember what the fight was about clearly not the events for hours later that i should have. my children tell me what happened that i do not remember at all. so even if i had known i dont know that i could have stopped getting post traumatic stress or the panic attacks my mind was already developing coping to get me thru it and be sane. we would go to his family functions and i think they all have varying degrees of depression and being bipolar so it was like wow must be me the world cant be wrong can they..in this case…………….. yeah…..i was working with an autistic child for my job and coming home and dealing with a bipolar husband ,one day he kept it up so much i called the dr to see if they could give me something i thought i was having a nervous breakdown. i would go to work at the school and get home to find if he was home whole drawers of things were thrown out in the garbage. he had ripped up a bank book that had some money my mother had for me …my son called me from home to tell me this was happening…if that’s not scarey…i went into the marriage very confident and came out of it very unsure ,beleiving there were things i couldnt do because i was stupid, i didnt see it happening it was day in and day out.the constant names and beating down verbally.when i left there was not a drop of love left for him i felt like i was escaping a hostage situation and when i saw my out i took it and didnt look back. i had truly loved him in fact couldnt beleive i could love someone outside of my immediate family sooooo deeply. i gave my heart and soul to him, all my love completely which i found was such a mistake. now if he calls and leaves a message on the machine the dogs run out of the room and come back when its done….he instilled such fear in all of us…my daughter noticed i was looking in the rearview mirror and since he was in town that day she said to me in a small scared voice “is he behind us?” all the time he was on top of the world having his episodes and seemed to be getting his kicks out of them. so by the time i even knew what his problem was i couldnt be strong he had taken that already…..maybe he was an abuser added to the bipolarism i dont know that being bipolar causes people to be emotionally and physically abusive all the time. he threatened to take the money and to leave me almost every year to of course break down any security i might have felt i the marriage…he never expected that with the last bit of strength i had that i would file for divorce…..when you get to the point of for years having dreams that you are being suffocated and waking up in a cold sweat….every single night and you are afraid to be on the stairs at the same time as your spouse because you are afraid he’ll hurt you you dont have any strength left with which to help them you have to help your kids get through it and survive yourself for them.it almost became a sick game of him playing and us escaping .for some reason i find i cant let go of the man thing mentally….at the beginning he was so different and let me think i could trust him and i went in hook line and sinker so now instead of being able to separate the two of that was him the others you meet you have to give a change…i am very guarded i think of it as being a male thing not bipolar in my mind , and maybe after lots of therapy i can separate it but for right now it is them vs me and i cant trust men they will do something to me, i got hurt once and i never want to feel that lost again….i am stronger now then i was the whole 25 years of my marriage it took a lot from me and the kids .i get angry that it didnt need to be this way if only…..he had gotten help…if only ..he took the money we all knows what happens when someone who is bipolar has total control of the money……in the past we were 24,000 in debt and he blamed me even though i never charged anything and his bills “for work” would be over 3,000 a month for himself for clothes or a big screen tv or groceries at sams we didnt even need. and i had the control of the money then he took what he wanted so him being in charge was futile ….the past balance had been brought down by the others of us giving up things never him.

  3. My daughter hasn’t been diagnosed, but has had all the symptoms since a baby. I didn’t know about bipolar until a few months ago. I wish I had when she was under “my control” She has had several manic episodes in the past few months and I have been trying to deal with her on her terms. I am always afraid of saying the wrong thing, yet not knowing what is the right thing to say. She is 37 and has two small boys. And, ironically, works as a case manager. She hasn’t spoken to me in a month now because she called me to come get her and the boys, when I got there she had been drinking all evening and was not listening to anything I had to say. In the end, she percieved everything I said as being against her and “taking up” for her husband. I left and haven’t heard from her (directly) since. Am worried about the boys. I would like to talk to her, but don’t know what to say. Any suggestions?I am at a total loss as to how to deal with this. In the past, have tried to figure out her mood and act accordingly. Once or twice, have just had it and have let her have it. She believes things the way she wants and there is no changing her. Cannot be reasoned with in the episodes. Is destructive, (has cut tires and broken windshields) Has had to be taken to jail on two occassions. I am wanting to suggest that she go to a psychiatrist, but am afraid of her reaction. Help me please. Mom of S

  4. My daughter hasn’t been diagnosed, but has had all the symptoms since a baby. I didn’t know about bipolar until a few months ago. I wish I had when she was under “my control” She has had several manic episodes in the past few months and I have been trying to deal with her on her terms. I am always afraid of saying the wrong thing, yet not knowing what is the right thing to say. She is 37 and has two small boys. And, ironically, works as a case manager. She hasn’t spoken to me in a month now because she called me to come get her and the boys, when I got there she had been drinking all evening and was not listening to anything I had to say. In the end, she percieved everything I said as being against her and “taking up” for her husband. I left and haven’t heard from her (directly) since. Am worried about the boys. I would like to talk to her, but don’t know what to say. Any suggestions?I am at a total loss as to how to deal with this. In the past, have tried to figure out her mood and act accordingly. Once or twice, have just had it and have let her have it. She believes things the way she wants and there is no changing her. Cannot be reasoned with in the episodes. Is destructive, (has cut tires and broken windshields) Has had to be taken to jail on two occassions. I am wanting to suggest that she go to a psychiatrist, but am afraid of her reaction. Help me please. Mom of S

  5. My daughter hasn’t been diagnosed, but has had all the symptoms since a baby. I didn’t know about bipolar until a few months ago. I wish I had when she was under “my control”. She has had several manic episodes in the past few months and I have been trying to deal with her on her terms. I am always afraid of saying the wrong thing, yet not knowing what is the right thing to say. She is 37 and has two small boys. And, ironically, she works as a case manager. She hasn’t spoken to me in a month now because she called to come get her and the boys late one night, when I got there, she had been drinking all evening and wasn’t listening to anything I had to say.In the end, she perceived everything I said as being against her and “taking up” for her husband. I left and haven’t heard from her (directly) since. Am worried about her and the boys. I would like to talk to her, but cannot take the yelling and screaming and am afraid that is what it would be. I am at a total loss as to how to deal with this. I have been guilty in the past of trying to figure out her mood and act accordingly. Once or twice, have just had it and have let her have it. She believes things the way she wants and there is no changing her mind. Cannot be reasoned with, even after an episode has “calmed down.” Is very destructive during these times. Has cut tires and broken windshields. Has had to be taken to jail, (to cool down) on two occassions. I am wanting to suggest a psychiatrist, but am afraid of her reaction. Help me please. Mom of S

  6. I am the one diagnosed with bipolar and on medication and stable with episodes, however, I can relate to this woman. I have lately experienced my husband’s explosive disorder (I recently just learned that such a thing exists) and wonder if HE should be on more than 10 mgs of Prozac a day. He has not been diagnosed with bipolar or anything and has been my supporter for 7 years since diagnosed.
    Have I now been HIS trigger? His episodes seem as though he is someone else. I have been married to him 25 years.
    Do we, the diagnosed, trigger our supporters?? My daughter now age 17 was diagnosed a year ago bipolar, was she MY trigger as her supporter??
    Where does the circle stop?

  7. i find myself editing my comments and trying to figure out how he might take something. i am working on it though hes going to think what he going to think no matter what i say .i still think the way you say it helps though.

  8. Melissa could have written my story of 27 yrs. with my BP husband. Seeing it in wrighting is a real shocker.
    I had medication, never took it, wanted to sometimes, looked at it, threw it away yesterday. Decided one of us on meds is enough. I started walking, reading books and Dave’s postings, finding support groups and trying to find a life outside his BP when he can’t or won’t. I still walk on egg shells, but I am learning to walk more firmly.

  9. It is unbelievable to read someone else’s story that could be your own story though I’ve only been “hostage” for 22 years now…

  10. HELLO DAVE,
    thank you so much for giving bi-polar a voice!!!!i have learned so much in just the few things you have sent me.

    i have bi-polar.haveing a plan is the best thing to have in place with someone with bi-polar. becase i know for a fact that at the time of one of my episodes i can’t think straight for my self. at the time that i am going though the mania i think that i am in total control wich is not true. that is why having a plan with the people that love you, you know that they only want to see you happy and heathly.

    so for anyone going through this. please do not give up be strong for the preson/self dont give in to the bi-polar.i know that it is very hard not to some times. but when it dose go to the plan the sooner the better!! that will mean less time in “crazy land”

    thank you so much dave for a place to help everone try to stay out of “crazy land” including myself and making life eazier for my loved ones!!!!!!!!!

  11. Dave, thanks for the info. I saw my counselor today (hx. major depression) and feel better.
    I gave E. his engagement ring back the other day after we discussed the major drawbacks I had re: marriage. Some of his personal (ex-wife)issues of hatred, and his daughter’s lack of being a able to communicate with him for over a year now have been like red flags to me. I don’t see him as controlling but his ex-wife said he was too controlling in their marriage which ended about 6 (+)years ago.
    He and his daughter had a verbal argument at the airport and at Wal-Mart re: clothes over a year ago Spring break. Daughter went to mom’s and never came back. She has refused to talk to him on the phone (too many times) but will talk to me. She won’t talk to him about any of it. She has been to his home once to visit last year after he had gone out there for 2 days and she’d spent aboout 2 hours with him. When she was home, I stayed away except for one morning before she left (breakfast) because she wanted me there.
    He thinks he has apologized to her but isn’t sure. I had suggested he might try that, and it might open the communication up about that episode. It has been so hurtful to him for her to ignore him, yet when she wants to have fun at his expense, she will come home for that. She is planning to be here in about 1 1/2 weeks for about a week.
    Thanks.

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