Shocking Reverse Bipolar Discrimination

Hi,

How’s it going?

Today is suppose to be the bipolar news.
But, Andrea who sets it up is on vacation.
I thought she was going to set it up
even though she was away. I am not sure.

Maybe she is running late. So I had to type
up this daily bipolar email instead.

You might get the news tomorrow or Sunday
I am not sure.

Sorry if this messed up your schedule.

It’s been really tough to keep track of
this ever expanding organization.

I actually spoke to some really smart people
yesterday who gave me some great ideas.

Ultimately soon, I am going to be hiring an
operations/admin person. I don’t just want
any old person but someone who I can
really work with and trust. I will send more
details later on this coming week.

Okay, you know, I’ve talked in the
past about stigma, and the
problem that people who have
bipolar disorder have with people
who stigmatize them, or pre-
judge them without knowing
them.

People who have bipolar disorder
get mad at those people who
pre-judge , or stigmatize them.

Well, good old Webster in his
dictionary defines prejudice as
“preconceived judgment or opinion”
or “an irrational attitude of
hostility directed against an
individual, a group, a race, or
their supposed characteristics.”

Wow! I sure don’t want to be
accused of being prejudiced
against anyone if it means
that, do you? I mean the
attitude of hostility part.

Well, it actually says an
irrational attitude of
hostility. I don’t think that’s
any of us.

In fact, I don’t think it’s really
true of those people who are
prejudiced against those
who have bipolar disorder.

I think, really, that they fall
into the category of
“preconceived judgment or
opinion.” Don’t you agree?

It’s like me saying, “Just give
me a little time – I’ll grow on
you!” J

But seriously, what I wanted
to bring out is that it’s not just
that other people are prejudiced
against people who have bipolar
disorder, it’s also that people
with bipolar and their loved ones
sometimes get just as prejudiced
against doctors, therapists and
mental health workers and assume
they are bad.

I’ve tried to address this problem
in my courses/systems, where I
talk about the problem of good and
bad doctors, and teach you how to
find a good doctor or therapist:

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But I really encourage you not to
pre-judge your doctor or therapist.
Yes, there are some bad doctors and
therapists and psychiatrists out there,
but there are also some good ones.

I would encourage you not to
judge yours on, say, just one
visit. You may have just caught
him on a bad day or something.

You know how bad it feels to be
pre-judged. Try not to pre-judge
anyone else, because that would be
like reverse discrimination.

Your friend,

Dave

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  1. I have a great pdoc, but I have always had rotten luck with therapists (very flaky). I start with them and then they cancel on me and I am told they will call me back to reschedule an appointment and they never do….I figure it is me they don’t like?? My pdoc is so good!! Just as an example of his kind heart… when I wasn’t getting an income he didn’t make me pay the $30 copays instead he wrote it off. There is good and bad in everything.

  2. my son….is bipolar..one day he just left…3 months later we found him in Edmonton..(we live in Ontario)..as he called..he only called because the police had put him in the hospital after being arrested for B&E…he said he was hungry and wanted something to eat so he thought it was o.k to bust the door down of a restataunt.

    he said he may come back here…help!!!!!!
    This is all new to me, i knew he was depressed…but this was his first epasoide of being manic..or so i think??
    If and when he comes home i need to know what to do and what not to do for him…I feel so lost.
    Lauren

  3. unfortunatly i have a social worker who is not willing 2 discover what bipolar is and how it affects the person with it cos she is very prejudice against my partner who has it and at the moment he has had 2 move out so it was nice 2 hear tht its not just us who r fighting 2 keep this from hapening cos my partner is going 2 see a solicitor about the way she is so thnx again

  4. I have had this happen alot in the past 5 years to my son and I. People just need to be educated on the disorder thats all. Most all the bipolar people I know are just misunderstood. I also have had to change Docs. and therapists a few times till I found one I mesh with. Some of them hang on to one issue even though you have moved past it. That happened with my last one so my sessions became nonproductive and so I found a new one. The one I have now is great. Not every Doc. or therapist is right for every one of us. It is always good to check around and find the right one for you. Thanks again Dave for what you do!!! It really helps me with not only my disorder but also dealing with my sons.

  5. I think this is a good topic and an all too real one for us. I try to educate people the first chance I get and I find amoung those who do really want to know what it’s about don’t judge me they listen and ask questions. I guide them to the Internet always and tell them to do their homework. Since I’m 51 the age group of people I talk to usually have a child they are concerned about. I listen. They are usually so appreciative for the the understanding and guidance.

  6. Hi Dave:

    I’m 44, Female, RN, seperated from Spouce, family and frends. Diagnosed 1 year with Bi-polar, Dual Diagnosis and emotional de-regulation (like that one), it means I cry too much!!! It probably comes from losing my life in a short perod of two years along with my $80,000 income,my house and cars.

    I was a people pleaser, meaning I valued myself by how others loved me not by my own standards, which when I am sick (episode, cycle,)which is often. I have a very low self-esteem, and have very mxed standards, care or esteem for myself.

    I have actually been bi-polar, since I was 14, but because I was adopted, my family just thought I was having abandonment issues or I was just a flaky teenager, or a brunette airhead, whore, or a druggy. (I remember these names quite dearly) I felt ashamed, a failure, and mostly isolated, I was a pretty girl, which lead me down a path of receving some attention, that I thouught was love but turned out to be little more than lust, which did not help matters in the best interest of how others perceived me.
    Since I was 14, 30 years now, I have had 27 jobs, moved 28 times, have been married three times, have 3 children the youngest is 17. My
    two older childrn are Bi-polar and are estranged. My Father has passed away. He was the only sane loving adult that I knew. My adopted sister is Bi-polar but is seriously ill, she is a elementary school teacher has 2 autistic children, and on multiple meds and therapy, though she is court-ordered to undergo anger management classes(something to do
    with spousal abuse) she is very diciplined follows her Doctor’s care and s very loving and attentive to her children. We talk maybe once every 5 years. My mother is an alcoholic, have nothing good to say about her, she is a very unhappy, unproductive, fearful, miserable person, she only allows very co-dependant, controlling relationships into her life, she has never forgiven me for how I turned out, and that had a a friendship with my birth mother, who found me when was 18.
    She has an allegance with my daughter by takng me out of the will, and promisng her lots of money to support her because of her terrble childhood that I had provided that caused her mental illness. My mother also has some mental illness,(constant mania) alcoholism,(to depress her symptoms) and pain pill addiction.
    I have substance abuse issues when I am cyclng down, bcause I hate to be tired and depressed. I feel very unworthy when I am not doing a hundred things at one time, taking care of everything working 60 hours a week and etc.etc.etc.
    My history s strong with Bi-polar on my birth mothers side, my grandmother was estranged from her family and dropped my mother and her brother off at an orphanage, when they were young. My uncle is, my mother put me up for adoption, and is very secretive about her life.

    Stigma, and predjudice is a very larrge part of my life. I rebuild trust, belief, and love, and work so hard at trying to be good that I wear myself out and fall down, so fast destroying everything so quickly that I find myself alone again and again, not worth my husbands love and trust bcause of my behavior, and actions.

    I’m agan starting over, I have no-one to talk to other than my weekly BP class, my doctor,and my celebrate recovery class(which are blessings), I am again moving to a new town, a new job)I am working at a State Mental Hospital as a Nurse. I defintely do understand stigma, on both sides of the fence.

  7. Dear Dave
    It pains me to have to write this, but I feel I have no choice. I have been getting your emails every day for a long time now and they have been very helpful to me as a bipolar survivor. However your company Leverage has charged my credit card numerous times without my authorization and I need help getting these charges reversed. Firstly I don’t know how you even got my credit card number in the first place. I entered a “contest” to get your diet and apparently won because it was sent to me. Then my credit card was charged for it. My credit card has also been charged various charges on a monthly basis since last September, nothing in Oct, Nov and Dec, and then again in Jan, Feb and March. I called my credit card people and they gave me a telephone number to call. I called and all I get is a recording that asks me to enter the extension number of the person I am trying to reach or leave a msg. This concerns me greatly. I am sure that there are lots of other ppl who get your material who would be very concerned by this kind of thing. I have no memory of ever having given my credit card number to anyone in your organization for any reason. The reason I haven’t caught this before now is that my husband pays the bill and he assumed it was a legitimate charge that I made. Money is very tight for me, so I just don’t buy things I don’t absolutely need. I need to speak to a real person about this. In fact I need to speak to you about this. This is very serious. Please respond asap. Thank you

  8. omg. My husband is freaking out about this now. Please see my previous post about the unauthorized charges on my credit card. He thinks that because I am bipolar, I have probably authorized other charges also. I have not. Now he has taken away my credit card, all because your company “Leverage” has charged my account without authorization. You have to fix this right now. I don’t know how you can do this kind of thing to someone you are supposed to be helping. I have posted this information on another of your blog infos this morning and no response. I have called Leverage and got a very bad feeling because all it will allow me to do is leave a message. I can’t get to speak to a person at all. I really feel now that I have been the victim of a scam. I never expected that the same David Oliver who has been helping me with his emails every day for so long would be involved in something like this. You have the information to contact me and make this right. Since this is causing me not just money, but a huge trust problem in my marriage, I will not give up until it is fixed. Please reply asap

  9. I have had bipolar for along time and it has caused alot of heartach for me, right now in my life I just want my life over and think it would be best for everyone who knows me, that the world would be better off without me, I am doing my best to keep my head about water but the bipolar it seems is winning the war, I have lost my husband who has left me for a younger woman and I have lost my 2 older kids and the one won’t even talk to me now. My heart is breaking and the bp is out of control, I am doing the best I can but doesn’t seem to be enough, thank you for allowing me to join. hope you all have a good day.
    ringlady

  10. I also read what Dave sends and it is helping me understand…however so does all the posts i read…you are all very bright intresting people with alot to offer the world.
    My son suffers from bipolar…and i am trying to ubderstand how best to help him
    Lauren

  11. I AGREE 100%. PEOPLE JUDGE ME OR BACK AWAY FROM ME. THEY DEFINE ME BY MY DISEASE. I KEEP SAYING THAT I AM NOT BIPOLAR–I HAVE BIPOLAR DISORDER. I AM NOT MY DISEASE.

  12. The first psychiatrist I had a bad opinion about was the one who nearly killed me. He must have thought I was “pulling his leg” about being sick, because when I would have a “fit” or actually thought I needed to talk to him – he put me off. This was in the University Psych Ward, and of course, you don’t really have immediate access to your own psychiatrist. But I was assigned this “doctor,” who kept putting me on one medication after another to “subdue” me. Well, he overdid it, and I lost my appetite, eventually losing so much weight, he had my Mom send me to the State Mental Hospital to DIE! I weighed 78 lbs (5’9″), and he never really CARED.

    When I was out of the hospital, I had a VERY negative opinion of psychiatrists – do you blame me??!! During my last manic episode, I was sent to a private rehab center, and who should walk in but – this same psychiatrist! He was there as a PATIENT for alcohol addiction. In our first group meeting (he was in mine), he asked our group leader to – “get me out of here; Suzanne is here!” He was the Alcohol and Substance Abuse director at that same State Mental Hospital! I heard later that he had committed suicide, and you know what? I wasn’t sorry, and I didn’t feel bad. Suppose he treated his other patients the way he treated me? I hate to think about it…

    Now, being a client of the Community Mental Health clinic, I trust each and every employee, from the wonderful receptionist, to my psychiatrist (Nurse Practitioner), and my therapist (who I’ve known since I was on the University Psych Ward). I feel if your doctors and other staff treat you with respect and NOT as a “mental patient” (by this, I mean that you don’t ACT or THINK like you’re out of your mind; and that what you tell them is the TRUTH as you see it).

    I chose my PCP because he did NOT treat me as a “mental patient.” He listens to my physical complaints, and trusts that what I tell him is REAL and not in my MIND. I’ve sort of “grown up” with him, having him as my physician since
    1974. He always listens to me, and takes the proper tests. Usually, the tests come back “positive” because my symptoms are REAL. I knew a LOT of doctors before him, that tossed off my complaints just BECAUSE I was manic depressive.

    I suggest that we NOT pre-judge our doctors or psychiatrists. As Dave says, perhaps they’re having a bad day when you first see them. But, also, don’t stay with a doctor who doesn’t respect you and treat you with dignity. That is only as it should be.

    BIG HUGS to all bipolar survivors and those who love us. Please pray for Susan; she’s going through a very hard time right now, and needs our fervent prayers. And, save one for me, as my situation, physically, financially, and emotionally, is very fragile right now.

  13. This goes back to Ignorance again. Conventional people tend to be prejudiced against what they don’t understand. If you dare to be an individual the general public turns against you, because of fear and also because of jealousy. They envy you when you have the nerve to be different, which they haven’t.

    I have had to put up with the conventional “norm”s prejudice and misunderstandings all my life for being individual, especially for being nocturnal. That’s why I can relate well to bipolar people.

    It’s interesting to see a good number of “night people” on this blog, more bipolar survivors than supporters.

    I can fully understand why anyone hates having to take prescription drugs with horrible side effects, but accepts taking them as they are the lesser evil compared to the effects of the illness. My boyfriend had been taking his medicine every day and except for a screwed up sleep pattern (same as mine) he was stable. Then suddenly last weekend he decided to “try out and see what happens” and not take them. First seemed to be going into an episode going higher and higher – full of sexy and creative energy. Although we were very happy and had a lot of fun I was concerned and worried that he may crash. He didn’t contact me for 2 days. Yesterday I saw him just before he was going to the doctor. All that positive energy had turned into anger and rage. I had never seen him like that before. He looked terrible and kept swearing and shouting, being so angry with the world. I can now see what someone with a violent tendency (which he hasn’t) maybe capable of – more than yelling. Then he had a go at me for “always quoting clever stuff from the internet” to him. He is not into computers, but knows I go on this site and I only tell him what I think may be of help and usually he has been quite interested. I’m glad he saw sense before it got worse and went to the doctor. He is now taking his medicine again and didn’t come over tonight as he is feeling a bit down (or maybe confused). I was really quite horrified when he told me he had stopped taking his meds. Seems my prayers have been answered and hopefully we are gradually getting back to normal.

  14. To RINGLADY: If you are truly depressed enough to be suicidal, don’t hesitate – call 911 or the Suicide Hotline, and describe just exactly how you feel. I’m SURE your children would NOT want you to DIE. As for your husband; who needs him??!! It is HIS life, and, though I’m sure you still love him, he is NOT worthy of your life at this point.

    I, too, have been clinically depressed, but have only had suicidal ideation, never bad enough to actually DO something about it. I saw a new psychiatrist, and he put me on an antidepressant, and in 3 weeks, I could see the light at the end of the tunnel.

    Suicide leaves the loved ones behind such GUILT that they will NEVER recover. PLEASE think about their future, and the future YOU could have if you only look for and get help. DO IT NOW!!

    Even though I don’t know you – I care about the life of everyone of God’s children, of which you are one. God does not want man to do anything that harms man. A shrink I knew in IL told me that, and I have NEVER forgotten it.

  15. SUZANNE, What is it with psychiatrists that some of them seem to have mental conditions themselves? Are they aware of having a mental illness and go into psychiatry to learn about it and hope to help themselves? Or do some of them develop a mental problem from working in that field day after day? I have heard too many horror stories about psychiatrists. There was one at the same hospital where my boyfriend was a patient a couple of times. Mental illness ran in her family. Her mother had committed suicide, her daughter had an eating disorder and the psychiatrist was still working full time a week before she killed her own daughter. Several months later the court found her not guilty of murder on grounds of “insanity”. They committed her to the psych ward where she is undergoing intensive treatment.

    Of course there are a lot of good psychiatrists too, but they don’t make the headlines.

  16. Hi All:
    Yes, it is a bad idea to pre-judge anyone especially when it comes to doctors of any kind, word of mouth can sometimes prevent a person from using an excellent Psychiatrist or any medical person. Sometimes it takes a while to find a doctor you can be comfortable with and trust to have your mental and/or physical health in your best interests. I have been to several doctors with my emphysema and they had done things all wrong. I finally found a very good, wise, and caring Pulmonologist who is my PCP. I have a Cardiologist I trust with my heart, no pun intended, and I got lucky and have a good Psych to trust my (and my family’s) mental health. I do not use a therapist as my Psych is all in one. My Pulmonologist will refer me to other specialists for whatever I need that he doesn’t do, like a Gynecologist. lol He informed me at the beginning that he will only do above the waist but overall he keeps most of my physical heath as healthy as he can. Now if I had listened to my late sister, who had seen a doctor in my PCP’s office and didn’t like him, I would never have found the great doctor I have to get me thru this emphysema and whatever ails me physically. It had to be the Hand of God that lead us to the Psych we have used for over 8 years because we are in a very rural area and he was, at that time, the only Psychiatrist in our area. which worked out great because we would have had to gone to another state for mental care if he had not been here for us. Sorry for the book again. Seems I get started and can’t quit so I will make myself quit now. Prayers from me go out for all, including you David. Thank you

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