{"id":5302,"date":"2008-01-31T10:07:00","date_gmt":"2008-01-31T15:07:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.bipolarsupporter.com\/bipolarsupporterblog\/revealed-the-bipolar-support-group-mistake\/"},"modified":"2008-01-31T10:07:00","modified_gmt":"2008-01-31T15:07:00","slug":"revealed-the-bipolar-support-group-mistake","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.bipolarsupporter.com\/bipolarsupporterblog\/revealed-the-bipolar-support-group-mistake\/","title":{"rendered":"Revealed: The bipolar support group mistake"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>=>PLEASE FORWARD TO FRIENDS, FAMILY AND LOVED ONES <=\n\n<br \/>Hi,<\/p>\n<p>How&#8217;s it going?<\/p>\n<p>I am dead tired. Why? Well last night<br \/>I had to volunteer and it went on for<br \/>hours and hours and hours.<\/p>\n<p>It ended really late and I didn&#8217;t get home<br \/>until like 11:30pm and then I had a bunch<br \/>of stuff todo.<\/p>\n<p>As I sat listening to last night&#8217;s speaker,<br \/>I was kind of getting annoyed. Why?<\/p>\n<p>Well the speaker was a person with bipolar<br \/>disorder but spent 95% of the time talking<br \/>about how much of her was a nightmare.<\/p>\n<p>I didn&#8217;t understand it because she is <br \/>successful now. She has her own business,<br \/>she is a writer, has a family, etc.<\/p>\n<p>BUT, she never spoke about:<\/p>\n<p>-How she started her own business<br \/>-Coping strategies for dealing with bipolar disorder<br \/>-How she explained bipolar disorder to her kids<br \/>-How she works with her doctor<br \/>-Ways that she gets to sleep when she can&#8217;t<br \/>-What were the exact keys to her success<br \/>-How often she sees a therapist<br \/>-How she was able to raise little kids with bipolar disorder<br \/>-How she was able to graduate college and get other post graduate<br \/>degrees<\/p>\n<p>Etc.<br \/>Etc.<br \/>Etc.<br \/>Etc.<\/p>\n<p>The entire thing turned into this. It&#8217;s like <br \/>bipolar took over the room and then people in<br \/>the room started telling their bipolar horror<br \/>stories oh how bad it is or how bad they<br \/>have had it.<\/p>\n<p>There were many bipolar supporters sitting<br \/>in the audience looking depressed.<\/p>\n<p>I started to feel depressed. I heard about<br \/>horrible depression, gigantic manic episodes<br \/>and also how almost there&#8217;s not a lot of hope.<\/p>\n<p>After this was presented, several bipolar supporters<br \/>raised their hands with questions like:<\/p>\n<p>Can my son\/daughter be normal?<\/p>\n<p>Can my son\/daughter go to college?<\/p>\n<p>Can my loved one be happy ever?<\/p>\n<p>Is there hope for my loved one<\/p>\n<p>The entire thing really turned so negative<br \/>that so many supporters wound up being<br \/>worried that there loved one was DOOMED.<\/p>\n<p>I leaned over to a person that also volunteers<br \/>and I was like, &#8220;Is this really negative or<br \/>what?&#8221; He was like, &#8220;Yea, it is.&#8221; <\/p>\n<p>I said, &#8220;Why don&#8217;t we have at least 50\/50? 50%<br \/>negative and 50% positive.&#8221; He said, &#8220;Yea it<br \/>should be that way.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>There was really no message of hope delivered.<\/p>\n<p>I noticed that many bipolar supporters were<br \/>really uncomfortable and had that &#8220;wow,<br \/>there&#8217;s not a lot of hope, this is a horrible<br \/>disorder that will just doom my loved one.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Here&#8217;s the deal. Bipolar support groups<br \/>are okay. Some are better than others.<br \/>Some are more positive than others. Many however<br \/>are just places people go and complain and<br \/>vent.<\/p>\n<p>I want you to remember this if you are<br \/>a bipolar supporter and going to a support<br \/>group. The most successful people generally<br \/>do NOT, and I repeat, do NOT go to these<br \/>groups.<\/p>\n<p>They are home making it happen and don&#8217;t.<\/p>\n<p>Want to hear something crazy? Well out of<br \/>every person that is high functioning<br \/>that works for me that has bipolar disorder,<br \/>ZERO, go to support groups.<\/p>\n<p>Also, I can only think of one bipolar success<br \/>story that I interviewed in the last THREE<br \/>years that regularly go to a support group<br \/>to give back and teach.<\/p>\n<p>These are just the facts. I know that I will<br \/>get some people who are mad that I said this<br \/>but these are the facts. There is a book<br \/>written by a girl where she goes across the<br \/>country looking for successful people with<br \/>bipolar disorder. She doesn&#8217;t find as many<br \/>as she thought. Why? well she is looking<br \/>in the wrong spot.<\/p>\n<p>I spend a TON and I mean a TON of money<br \/>to find successful people with bipolar<br \/>disorder. You don&#8217;t find them in support<br \/>groups.<\/p>\n<p>Bipolar supporters have to realize this<br \/>and not go to these meetings and then think<br \/>that their loved one is doomed because<br \/>they don&#8217;t see successful people at<br \/>the meetings.<\/p>\n<p>Finally, I am solution and strategy driven.<br \/>Many of these groups are not. You just<br \/>have to realize that. <\/p>\n<p>A question was asked:<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;My son is resistant to treatment and doesn&#8217;t<br \/>want any. What can we do?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>No one gave this lady who asked the question<br \/>an answer. They said things like, &#8220;have faith.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>There are things that you can do. There&#8217;s<br \/>lots of them. <\/p>\n<p>People just don&#8217;t know. <\/p>\n<p>In my courses\/systems below:<\/p>\n<p>SUPPORTING AN ADULT WITH BIPOLAR DISORDER?<br \/>Visit:<br \/><a href=\"http:\/\/www.bipolarsupporter.com\/report11\">http:\/\/www.bipolarsupporter.com\/report11<\/a><\/p>\n<p>SUPPORTING A CHILD\/TEEN WITH BIPOLAR DISORDER?<br \/>Visit:<br \/><a href=\"http:\/\/www.bipolarparenting.com\">http:\/\/www.bipolarparenting.com<\/a><\/p>\n<p>HAVE BIPOLAR DISORDER?<br \/>Visit:<br \/><a href=\"http:\/\/www.survivebipolar.net\">http:\/\/www.survivebipolar.net<\/a><\/p>\n<p>I outline over 22 techniques. How did I come<br \/>up with these? Well I invented and used<br \/>like about 7 myself. And then I spend about<br \/>$50,000 to build a mailing list and then <br \/>survey people on the list for the best methods.<\/p>\n<p>I then compiled the results and listed techniques<br \/>that were successfully used by at least 5 different<br \/>people.<\/p>\n<p>I also interviewed the people who came up with<br \/>the technique for further clarification. <\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s why my list is a good one. It was a big<br \/>joint effort.<\/p>\n<p>But people last that meeting thinking that there<br \/>is no way. <\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t say a lot at these meetings. I ask some soft<br \/>ball questions (ones that are easy to answer).<\/p>\n<p>I don&#8217;t feel it&#8217;s appropriate to challenge speakers<br \/>unless they are doctors or therapists. Even if<br \/>they do, I rarely do. I heard one doctor say<br \/>basically a person with bipolar disorder can&#8217;t<br \/>really be in a job that requires responsibility.<\/p>\n<p>I just rolled my eyes. So I guess that means<br \/>that all the people that I have working for me<br \/>with bipolar disorder shouldn&#8217;t be working<br \/>for me?<\/p>\n<p>Even though I don&#8217;t have bipolar disorder, <br \/>I take personal offense when someone says<br \/>this kind of thing. <\/p>\n<p>a) because they are insulting people<br \/>who are my friends<\/p>\n<p>b) they are insulting me because I hire<br \/>people with bipolar disorder<\/p>\n<p>c) they are causing people to think negatively<br \/>of people with bipolar disorder<\/p>\n<p>d) they are saying stupid things that cause<br \/>people to not reach their full potential. I remember<br \/>as a kid one teacher that told me that I would not<br \/>amount to anything. That I was dumb and that I would<br \/>never do well in school. <\/p>\n<p>I will never forget when she<br \/>said it to me. I can tell you exactly where I was<br \/>in school, what the day was like, what I was<br \/>wearing and what she was wearing. I felt like <br \/>a moron.  <\/p>\n<p>NOTE-I actually tracked this teacher down, of course,<br \/>and reminded her about what she said. She couldn&#8217;t<br \/>seem to remember and said she always knew that I would<br \/>do well. Yea sure. <\/p>\n<p>SECOND NOTE-I had another teacher Mrs. Nesnay<br \/>that told me the opposite. She told me<br \/>I was super smart and gifted. I now know she<br \/>was making it up \ud83d\ude42 but it sounded good<br \/>at the time.<\/p>\n<p>She told me that if I do something to always<br \/>do it big and as best I can. Actually I will<br \/>say this. It was her that caused me to want<br \/>to do well in school and always do well<br \/>at everything.<\/p>\n<p>Whenever I do something I seriously have it<br \/>programmed to do it big and grand. Just like<br \/>this bipolar stuff. This is an extension of<br \/>the principles that Mrs. Nesnay the great<br \/>teacher instilled in me.<\/p>\n<p>I tracked her down as well and she was<br \/>really happy to see me. I told her if she<br \/>ever needed anything anytime to call and<br \/>I would get it done. She is a great person.<\/p>\n<p>WARNING! You have to be really careful when<br \/>you are a bipolar supporter not to destroy or<br \/>crush your loved one&#8217;s hopes and dreams. You <br \/>want them to be stable but you can&#8217;t <br \/>put so many constraints on them that they<br \/>stop learning and progressing. <\/p>\n<p>Some bipolar supporters say, &#8220;We are never<br \/>going to have an episode like this again<br \/>and I am going to micromanage your life<br \/>so it doesn&#8217;t happen. You&#8217;ll never do<br \/>this, that and the other thing.&#8221;  This is<br \/>so important that I am going to be talking about<br \/>this in upcoming articles and podcasts.<\/p>\n<p>I have met many a bipolar supporter who<br \/>does this and many speakers that talk about<br \/>doing this.<\/p>\n<p>At these meetings I don&#8217;t ever correct<br \/>speakers or speak over them so to speak. <\/p>\n<p>For example, I didn&#8217;t rattle off 15 to 22<br \/>ways to help get a loved one into<br \/>treatment. I didn&#8217;t feel that would be<br \/>right.<\/p>\n<p>A long time ago, I made the decision that<br \/>I would not do this and I would just keep<br \/>my mouth shut and just volunteer.<\/p>\n<p>So I setup chairs, hand out literature, <br \/>answer questions if I am asked them directly,<br \/>move tables around in one place.<\/p>\n<p>There&#8217;s another support group that is<br \/>incredible that is much more upbeat and<br \/>way more productive.<\/p>\n<p>Anyway, this one has been like defunded<br \/>and there were very few meetings for 2007.<br \/>Sad but true. <\/p>\n<p>There isn&#8217;t one planned for at least the<br \/>next 4 months. They have a super small<br \/>get together every week with about 8 people<br \/>but that&#8217;s it. <\/p>\n<p>I guess they are running out of money. I am<br \/>not sure. The other place I volunteer is okay<br \/>but it&#8217;s a little too negative for me as well.<\/p>\n<p>BUT, I still go and volunteer and have now<br \/>for years. Many people who work for me ask<br \/>why I go because they think it&#8217;s a waste of<br \/>my time. <\/p>\n<p>The one good thing it does is it allows me<br \/>to talk person to person to see what problems<br \/>and issues people have with bipolar disorder and<br \/>also not to lose touch with it so then I can<br \/>come up with new podcasts, articles, ebooks,<br \/>books, guides, courses, manuals, etc.<\/p>\n<p>You know what? I think that I am going to<br \/>put on my list of things to do to write a<br \/>f.ree guide on how to run a support<br \/>group and also how to market it. Don&#8217;t even<br \/>get me started on the marketing end.<\/p>\n<p>Did I ever tell you about the support group<br \/>I volunteered at that had incredible and I mean<br \/>incredible speakers AND food but only 18 people<br \/>in attendance. Keep in mind there are 9 million<br \/>people in New Jersey and millions more in the<br \/>states next to Jersey. <\/p>\n<p>They told me that the didn&#8217;t have money to<br \/>market or know how to do it? I told them<br \/>that I would do ALL the marketing for them,<br \/>and pay for it. They said, &#8220;well let&#8217;s see<br \/>if we can get approval for that.&#8221; That was<br \/>three years ago, I guess they are still working<br \/>on the approval. <\/p>\n<p>Bottom line is this. If you are a bipolar<br \/>supporter, realize what you are getting when<br \/>you go to these support groups. Don&#8217;t get<br \/>discouraged if you don&#8217;t see success. <\/p>\n<p>I wanted to send this email so you know<br \/>the real deal.<\/p>\n<p>Hey I have to run, I will catch you tomorrow.<\/p>\n<p>Your Friend,<\/p>\n<p>Dave<\/p>\n<p>P.S. Want your own copy of these daily bipolar<br \/>emails sent to you for F.ree? If so, visit: <br \/><a href=\"http:\/\/www.bipolarcentral.com\/register3\">http:\/\/www.bipolarcentral.com\/register3<\/a><\/p>\n<p>P.P.S. Don&#8217;t forget to take a look through the <br \/>different programs I&#8217;ve put together&#8230; each one is designed <br \/>to help you with a different area of bipolar disorder whether<br \/>you have it or you are supporting someone with it. <br \/>You can see them all and get the details by visiting:<br \/><a href=\"http:\/\/www.bipolarcentral.com\/catalog.asp\">http:\/\/www.bipolarcentral.com\/catalog.asp<\/a><\/p>\n<p>P.P.P.S. Check out my F.ree blog with copies of emails <br \/>that I have sent in the past and lots of great <br \/>information for you:<br \/><a href=\"http:\/\/www.bipolarcentral.com\/supporterblog\/\">http:\/\/www.bipolarcentral.com\/supporterblog\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>P.P.P.P.S Check out my F.ree podcast. 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