{"id":33,"date":"2008-06-15T09:11:20","date_gmt":"2008-06-15T13:11:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.bipolarcentral.com\/bipolarsupporterblog\/?p=33"},"modified":"2009-03-19T16:44:17","modified_gmt":"2009-03-19T20:44:17","slug":"happy-fathers-day-when-a-loved-one-with-bipolar-doesnt-want-help","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.bipolarsupporter.com\/bipolarsupporterblog\/happy-fathers-day-when-a-loved-one-with-bipolar-doesnt-want-help\/","title":{"rendered":"Happy Father’s Day & When a loved one with bipolar doesn’t want help…."},"content":{"rendered":"
<\/span><\/span>Hi,<\/span><\/div>\n

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First HAPPY FATHERS DAY.<\/span><\/p>\n

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How’s it going? I hope you are doing well.<\/span><\/p>\n

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I have to go pretty quick today because I have to go to a brunch with my dad and then I am going hiking.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Actually I am going to take some photos and post them tomorrow on my blog if I can get it all figured out.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Well I am happy to report that I hired another person. A most unusual person. This person has about 6 different disorders and she is EXCELLENT! <\/span><\/p>\n

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That’s an understatement. I get a lot of emails that stay how it’s impossible to work with those with a mental illness, they are “crazy”, I am crazy for hiring people with a mental illness so on and so forth.<\/span><\/p>\n

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This is why I wanted to let you know about my new hire. She does amazing work.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Anyway, I was all set to write a daily email on another topic but I looked at the blog comments over here:<\/span><\/p>\n

http:\/\/www.bipolarcentral.com\/bipolarsupporterblog\/?p=30#comments<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n

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IMPORTANT FREE PODCAST<\/span><\/p>\n

There is a f.ree podcast that goes along with this daily email. Hear it over here:<\/span><\/p>\n

http:\/\/bipolarcentral.libsyn.com\/<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n

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I saw one post by Garry and had to address it. He wrote:<\/span><\/p>\n

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“Dear David,<\/span><\/p>\n

I understand that what you have done for your mother is a sincere and wonderful thing, to devote so much to a loved one who needs help without asking is truly a great thing. <\/span><\/p>\n

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I do wonder though that if someone doesn’t want help like some people have said here that maybe that could also be an answer, I dont like to be a person who comes along and says this is wrong and that is wrong but if the person with the problem doesnt want help then maybe it shouldnt be given, <\/span><\/p>\n

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Im not saying that when its not given to be a cold person but in general just be there and offer support and an ear when needed, love for a love one or friend is a given.\u00a0 My friend has been diagnosed with this disorder <\/span><\/p>\n

and I know how it effects her, it cuts me up when I see it and hear how she is so low. <\/span><\/p>\n

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I’m sorry if I sound aggressive in with my post but its just that I’m at a point now where I feel I cant do anymore to help my friend, I feel as though I have already let her down because I’m out of things to say to her that can make her feel better without personally thinking I’m going round in circles repeating the same things. <\/span><\/p>\n

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Lately I have said to her that if this is a problem that wont go away then maybe you should try and accept it and take in as a part of you, I know she enjoys the mania.. explosive shopping spree\u2019s, wild nights out and other such things but would you say that saying to her when the depression comes to just go with it and let it ride? <\/span><\/p>\n

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I know how tactless that sounds but I’m only trying to help, nobody will listen to her because they think she is mad. Ive said mad people can have the most fun? I sympathies with her because I too feel that I have this disorder but to what degree I don’t know, I know what its like to be really down and then some days later up again. <\/span><\/p>\n

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Its exhausting as you must know. I dont know what else to say really other than asking for tips? Sorry to sound narky.”<\/span><\/p>\n

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Then Garry wrote: Do people get any response to what they have wrote? Anyone here?<\/span><\/p>\n

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I wanted to address Garry’s post because a lot of people have this question.<\/span><\/p>\n

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But first I wanted to say to people who post on the blog, sometimes people post responses but many times, people just read posts. I however read ALL the posts along with many people who work for me.\u00a0 I use these posts to determine what kind of content we focus on. Some I address personally. Other posts other people address.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Anyway, enough of that. <\/span><\/p>\n

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Basically Garry is asking, what do you do when someone with bipolar disorder appears to need help but doesn’t want it.<\/span><\/p>\n

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This is a VERY important question. It’s a question that millions of people have every day.<\/span><\/p>\n

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It’s something that I feel strongly about. <\/span><\/p>\n

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I am going to tell you what I think.<\/span><\/p>\n

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I think that if a person doesn’t want treatment, you have to try really, really hard using a wide variety of strategies and tactics to get them into treatment. <\/span>Period.<\/span><\/p>\n

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There is NO one answer. There is no one magic solution that I have ever found and I have been looking for years and have more than 200,000 people on my list that I can draw from.<\/span><\/p>\n

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There are at least 25 strategies you can try to use that do NOT involve <\/span>involuntary commitment.<\/span><\/p>\n

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After you try the something like 25 different strategies in getting someone into treatment and really put a tremendous effort into it, then I feel it’s okay to give up.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Make sure you listen to my f.ree podcast for further information on this.<\/span><\/p>\n

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You may think it’s confusing but it’s not. Think of it this way. I have found at least 25 proven techniques that you can use.<\/span><\/p>\n

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You look at the techniques and you try to determine which one will work. You try it, then another and so on and so forth. Eventually in most cases, one will work.<\/span><\/p>\n

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In my main courses\/systems bipolar supporter course below, I go through all the techniques that I learned and learned from others on how to get someone into treatment.<\/span><\/p>\n

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In my course for those with bipolar disorder, I talk at length along with all the success stories of what you need to have in place to make sure if you go into a bipolar episode your supporters can easily get you into treatment. <\/span><\/p>\n

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SUPPORTING AN ADULT WITH BIPOLAR DISORDER?<\/span><\/p>\n

Visit:<\/span><\/p>\n

http:\/\/www.bipolarsupporter.com\/report11<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n

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SUPPORTING A CHILD\/TEEN WITH BIPOLAR DISORDER?<\/span><\/p>\n

Visit:<\/span><\/p>\n

http:\/\/www.bipolarparenting.com<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n

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HAVE BIPOLAR DISORDER?<\/span><\/p>\n

Visit:<\/span><\/p>\n

http:\/\/www.survivebipolar.net<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n

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With supporting children or teenagers it’s different because by law you can get them into treatment because you are in charge of them and they are not adults. However, there are many ways that children with bipolar disorder can manipulate the system and get out of treatment even if they are not adults.<\/span><\/p>\n

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It’s kind of amazing. Normally the system doesn’t understand what bipolar disorder really is and children can get out of treatment and wind up getting the parents into serious trouble. I cover this in my course above. <\/span><\/p>\n

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These issues are indeed complex and a simply daily email can’t give you all the answers.<\/span><\/p>\n

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I don’t mean to be evasive it’s just the way it is.<\/span><\/p>\n

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There is no question, getting a loved one into treatment is a tough thing. I have noticed that I have seen many doctors asked, “How do I get my loved one into treatment if he\/she doesn’t want to go.” The doctor stalls, talks in circles and eventually says it’s “hard” and you really “can’t.” They normally talk about the requirements for involuntary commitment– which generally requires the person be a danger to him\/herself or to others.<\/span><\/p>\n

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In my opinion and based on my experience there are a number of ways to get someone into treatment without using involuntary commitment but it requires hard work and a lot of time and trial and error.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Like I said, I have found no magic person, place, organization, statement, or strategy that works all the time. I am just being 100% honest.<\/span><\/p>\n

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I have found lots of options that could work. Many people think that a person should want treatment and just go.<\/span><\/p>\n

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You see, many people forget that when a person is ill, he\/she is not in their right mind. So they make decisions that are not sound and do and say things they would never do or say if they were well.<\/span><\/p>\n

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As a result things like suicide, homicide, homelessness, bankruptcy, and many other bad things.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Many people in major bipolar episode think they are 100% fine and doing great.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Has anyone ever had the experience that a loved one was totally out of their minds and saying they were fine?<\/span><\/p>\n

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Please relate your experiences. I actually have to take off now and get ready. I will write more about this in the upcoming week.<\/span><\/p>\n

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IMPORTANT FREE PODCAST There is a f.ree podcast that goes along with this daily email. Hear it over here:<\/span><\/p>\n

http:\/\/bipolarcentral.libsyn.com\/<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n

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David Oliver is the author of the shocking guide \u201cBipolar Disorder\u2014The REAL Silent Killer.\u201d Click Here<\/span><\/a><\/strong> to get FREE Information<\/strong> sent via email on how and why bipolar disorder kills.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Hi,<\/p>\n

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First HAPPY FATHERS DAY.<\/p>\n

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How’s it going? I hope you are doing well.<\/p>\n

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I have to go pretty quick today because I have to go to a brunch with my dad and then I am going hiking.<\/p>\n

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Actually I am going to take some photos and post them tomorrow on my blog if I can get it all figured out.<\/p>\n

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